Chuck Berry R.I.P

They said this morning that Rolling Stone had him listed as the 6th greatest guitar player of all time.....

As a father of Rock and Roll I understand what he represents but with 5 perhaps 7 hits he wasn't one of the Greats

Considering how many greats have said he was their inspiration then one would have to say he was a great. Maybe not the top of the list guitar player but a pretty accomplished one blessed with large hands as a bonus. Then there was his showmanship which Jagger would acknowledge. I recall a guy named Angus struting across a stage doing his imitation of the duck walk. He was a pioneer in verse chorus song writing combined with the blues. H e wrote songs that appealed to whites and blacks.
As Lennon himself said
"Chuck Berry was another massive influence," reflected Paul McCartney. "We'd go up to John's bedroom with his little record player and listen to Chuck Berry records, trying to learn them." This influenced Lennon's guitar style, as McCartney continues; "John did play some Chuck Berry-style solos, but he gave over the solo chair to George and became known as rhythm guitarist."

"I learned the solos on 'Johnny B. Goode' and 'Carol'," John relates. "In those days I was very much influenced by Chuck Berry...(He) is one of the all-time great poets; a rock poet, you could call him. He was well advanced of his time, lyric-wise. We all owe a lot to him, including Dylan. I've loved everything he's done, ever. He was in a different class from the other performers. He was in the tradition of the great blues artists but he really wrote his own stuff - I know (Little) Richard did, but Berry really wrote stuff. The lyrics were fantastic, even though we didn't know what he was saying half the time."

So was the influence Chuck Berry had on The Beatles. It was a no-brainer that they would choose to cover another Chuck Berry anthem when given the opportunity. That opportunity came with the recording sessions for their fourth British album "Beatles For Sale." Having already recorded one album in 1964, they had an obligation to complete a second album that year in time for the Christmas season. Not being able to compose enough material in that short of notice to fill an entire album, they were happy to record their renditions of some of their favorites. "Rock And Roll Music" fit the bill perfectly.

Chuck Berry became known for composing lyrics that were relevant and entertaining to young white audiences while not alienating black audiences. This formula resulted in nine chart hits between 1955 and 1960, one of which was "Rock And Roll Music" (#8 on the Billboard pop charts). Written approximately in April of 1957, he was singing the praises of the newly-christened popular music of the young generation. While Berry still depicted "rhythm and blues" as the music style-of-choice in his 1956 classic "Roll Over Beethoven," the emergence of "rock and roll" on the scene was due its own anthem. Chuck Berry satisfied that need.

Chuck Berry became famous for his examination of the experience of the younger generation, black or white, which resulted in many of his most successful hits, including "School Day," "Sweet Little Sixteen" and "Almost Grown." With "Rock And Roll Music," Berry strove to epitomize the motivating force behind the youth of that generation. Being one of the catalysts of this genre, he was well equipped to emphasize its features, such as the "back beat," as well as mention the drive of the saxophone and piano in this type of music.

These lyrics didn't go unnoticed by John Lennon. "In the Fifties, when people were virtually singing about nothing, Chuck Berry was writing social-comment songs, with incredible metre to the lyrics," John stated in 1972. "When I hear rock, good rock, of the caliber of Chuck Berry, I just fall apart and I have no other interest in life. The world could be ending if rock'n'roll is playing. It's a disease of mine."
 
Being Influential doesn't make him great. In the 50s there was little to compare to so your list of " heros" to pick from is short.
Of course he was a show which also doesn't make him a great guitar player . He wouldn't even fall within the top fifteen. How many hits did he have....five, seven tops?

Then again the Beatles are a bore - fest to me too . ...yawn.
 
Being Influential doesn't make him great. In the 50s there was little to compare to so your list of " heros" to pick from is short.
Of course he was a show which also doesn't make him a great guitar player . He wouldn't even fall within the top fifteen. How many hits did he have....five, seven tops?

Then again the Beatles are a bore - fest to me too . ...yawn.

Many years ago, I recorded (in VHS and Beta) a session from ShowTime that Keith Richards and Chuck Berry performed together. It included interviews with both artists and a good bit of their practice sessions, in preparation for their performance togehter. Richards remarked that in most of Chuck's prior appearances, he never had a decent back up band, but since Chuck was such a strong and masterful entertainer, he could overcome any deficiencies with the local backup artists he employed on the road. Keith wanted to put together (and be a part of) the kind of backup group he thought Chuck deserved. The whole session was quite remarkable, but both artists were totally pissed with each other by the time it all ended.
 
Being Influential doesn't make him great. In the 50s there was little to compare to so your list of " heros" to pick from is short.
Of course he was a show which also doesn't make him a great guitar player . He wouldn't even fall within the top fifteen. How many hits did he have....five, seven tops?

Then again the Beatles are a bore - fest to me too . ...yawn.

Hmm, a g e n d a...
 
Being Influential doesn't make him great. In the 50s there was little to compare to so your list of " heros" to pick from is short.
Of course he was a show which also doesn't make him a great guitar player . He wouldn't even fall within the top fifteen. How many hits did he have....five, seven tops?

Then again the Beatles are a bore - fest to me too . ...yawn.
He waz there thru' all the R+B 40s and 50's plus DO-WAP yearz Dave but he stood out even then. And yes He DID successfully cross the the color barrier with all his tones. He did what the Lord put him on this earth to do and He did it very well. He just He just had a darker tan then most of us folks that can't carry ah tone in ah bucket, lol Jer.
When Pat Boone and a few others started to emulate the good ones changing R+B to Rock and Roll I personally drifted off toward Good Sole Jazz all the way back to the early years when Bix Beiderbecke, Louis Armstrong and ah few others were still Knocking it out in New Orleans and Chicago
 
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You mean the first boy-band doing bad covers of other people's work, or the guys you were supposed to be high to really "understand"? Yuck to both versions.
The Beatles proved their Worth with "Rubber Soul" & "Revolver" Albums entirely made up of Original material. A Interesting and fresh Concept back then. You don't have to be High to understand, Just open minded.
 
Yeah , I get all that.....he's not one of the top 15 guitarists of all time, let alone the top five.
The board is mixing up entertainer with great guitar player.

I'm not here to debate the merits of Chuck Berry ........I get what he did and how he was loved by all just not the greatest. With 7 hit songs, he certainly wasn't one of the greats...
 
Yeah , I get all that.....he's not one of the top 15 guitarists of all time, let alone the top five.
The board is mixing up entertainer with great guitar player.

I'm not here to debate the merits of Chuck Berry ........I get what he did and how he was loved by all just not the greatest. With 7 hit songs, he certainly wasn't one of the greats...
Yup. And Charlie Daniels wasn't ah Concert Violinist either but he sure haz hiz momentz
Yeah , I get all that.....he's not one of the top 15 guitarists of all time, let alone the top five.
The board is mixing up entertainer with great guitar player.

I'm not here to debate the merits of Chuck Berry ........I get what he did and how he was loved by all just not the greatest. With 7 hit songs, he certainly wasn't one of the greats...
 
Yeah , I get all that.....he's not one of the top 15 guitarists of all time, let alone the top five.
The board is mixing up entertainer with great guitar player.

I'm not here to debate the merits of Chuck Berry ........I get what he did and how he was loved by all just not the greatest. With 7 hit songs, he certainly wasn't one of the greats...

Are you speaking as a guitar player, a student of rock and roll history, or a casual listener?

In terms of bringing the electric guitar to the forefront of rock music and making it a primary instrument, supplanting the sax and piano, he has few peers. Bo Diddly and Chuck came from the R&B side of music, Scotty Moore, Chet Atkins and Buddy Holly the Country side and Les Paul (in a class by himself) in making the guitar as a lead instrument.

Virtually every budding guitar player in the 50s, 60s and 70s knew Johnny B. Goode as one of the first rudimentary rock songs you learned. His two string chording was revolutionary. His hidden sexual innuendos in his writing were ground breaking for the time. His writing style and lead work set the standard of the basic rock song. His showmanship, along with a couple of others, set the stage of what a rock show was supposed to look like. He was a black man that found success in 50s white America pop music. He crossed a racial divide only matched by Elvis.

Was he the most technically proficient? No? Did he have a lot of hits on the charts? No and for reasons unrelated to his talent. Does rock guitar pretty much start with Chuck Berry? Yes. He has directly or indirectly influenced virtually every rock guitar player since 1954 and that's what makes Chuck one of the "greatest" guitar players.

"All of Chuck's children out there playing his licks. Come back baby. Rock and roll never forgets."- Bob Seger
 
OK..... But no one has yet admitted and proved him to be a great guitar player which is what I said. You're barking at the moon and I half heartedly agree with most of what your saying
 
OK..... But no one has yet admitted and proved him to be a great guitar player which is what I said. You're barking at the moon and I half heartedly agree with most of what your saying

Define "great".
 
This all started by me quoting the media.
So, is he in your top fifteen guitar player list of all time? They said top five....
 
This all started by me quoting the media.
So, is he in your top fifteen guitar player list of all time? They said top five....

As a major influence on the guitar and its impact in rock music? Absolutely. As stated above, he helped make it a primary instrument.
 
I can't remain silent about this anymore.
Chuck Berry, OR ANYONE ELSE, was never The Best at any particular one thing anytime anwhere. No matter how high the skill of any particular one entertainer, you can find a 12 year old idiot savant on YouTube that can blow you away doing one of the entertainer's best known pieces. Is that idiot savant the best? Yes, no, and maybe.
What was Chuck Berry? When you think of Chuck Berry, you automatically think Rock n Roll.
Chuck Berry was one of the best representations of what Rock n Roll is/was.
Definitely in my arguably top 5. Jerry Lee Louis is on there too.
 
I have a lot of different top 5s for a lot of different categories. Virtuosity isn't one of those factors.. I honestly couldn't give a crap.
I do know Chuck is in one of my top 5s ... not sure which one, but he's there.
 
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