RTS Buses (continued)

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Just moving this discussion that me and Chris started into the General section from the "71 Monaco Coupe for sale post".

I bought the RTS way back in 2002. I had been thinking about getting one for a few years and finally got internet in '02, which made the search much easier. I found a real good Yahoo group for RTS buses and one of the members hooked me up with the one I bought. It came from VTA in San Jose, California. It's a 1988, made by TMC. The guy I got it from bought it for himself, but decided he was too far into the 1982 GMC RTS that he already had, and put the '88 up for sale. At the time, it was kind of a big deal because it was one of the first affordable 06-series RTS's available for sale. My original plan was to convert it into a motor home, but it turned out to work much better as parts hauler being left as an almost empty shell. I installed the bare minimum accommodations to qualify for RV plates in PA. It served us well from '03 till the trans went in '16. It still drives, but leaks real bad from the output shaft when in reverse. This was quite disappointing, since the entire drivetrain has less than 15K miles on it.

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The Phoenix RTS's came up for sale a year or so after I bought mine. I believe that some of them, or maybe lots of them were up on eBay at the time. They were a bit on the rough side to jump in and run across the country with, so they wouldn't have been good for me. IIRC, they were 04 series GMC's, so they were '82 to '86. I think a few people in the Yahoo group bought some.

Not too long after I bought the VTA bus, I learned about the Holy Grail of RTS's, which were the Golden Gate RTS's with the 6V92 coupled to a VF 5 speed trans. As far as I know, they were the only Transit agency to ever order that engine/trans combination. There are plenty of Series 50's with the VF, but not the 2 stroke. I was then on a mission to further reduce California's RTS bus population. It took a few tries, but I ended up buying one that had been abandoned at a storage facility in Concord, California. This one was also supposed to be involved in the big RV project, but now that it's been cancelled, I'd like to get antique tags for this one some day so I can drive it again. This one really drives nice, even though it's not nearly as clean as the VTA bus.

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This is along the lines of what I wanted to do. This bus belongs to a friend in the Yahoo group, who now lives in AZ, about an hour or so north of you.

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Like many others on FCBO, I'd like to move out of the northeast in the next five to ten years, so an expensive RV is no longer anywhere on the priority list. Anyways, I now have a substitute RV that I can travel the country with. I'm a bit limited to the places that I can go, but I manage to see enough neat things to keep me happy.

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I'm really liking the fleet of old Mopars in pic #2. Pretty cool to see what people can do with retired transit buses.
 
City of Phoenix had a whole fleet of RTS's. They were great buses. Stainless steel frames with fiberglass body panels. I did accident repair on them for over 20 years. We ran them for a long time. They originally came with Detroit 6v92's in them. Later we retrofit them with series 50's with catalytic converters on them. Big mistake. The cats would plug up with all the stop and go driving in no time. I was working midnights on the PM shift for a while and every night we'd start our shift by jumping in an RTS and getting on I17, put the pedal to the metal and go up to the Carefree Highway and back to try to blow them out. Too bad because they ran great with the Detroit's in them. Here's a couple of pictures. The white one with the purple and orange stripes was the first RTS Phoenix bought. It was also the first Wheelchair accessible bus in the fleet. Because of that after it was retired from service we did a cosmetic restoration and it was put on display at the downtown bus station.
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I think the original paint scheme was much nicer than the purple and teal re-do. It's really great to see one preserved, since most are just crushed up for scrap these days. Golden Gate Transit was in the process of changing over to the Series 50, and had a lot of problems with them too. They were preparing for the upcoming California ban on 2-strokes in transit buses. About half way through the fleet, they got some money for new buses, probably CNG, and put all the remaining 2-stokes up for auction. I tried to get one of the buses at that auction, but didn't bid high enough.

The next time I'm in Phoenix, I'll have to try to get over to the downtown station and check that out. I usually head over to Tempe and walk around the lake with the big metal gates holding the water in.

I'm going to preserve my Golden Gate as a transit bus, so that's one more that will get to live on.

Jeff
 
It's long gone now. They redid the downtown terminal and stuck 4401 behind the maintenance shop. It was still there in behind the shop in 2010 when I retired but it's gone from there now too. Probably got auctioned off so no telling where it is.
 
Funny story on the color scheme change. A couple of women from the transit department went to the mall with color samples to show the public and that is what they came back with. Gumby and Barney buses is what we not so lovingly referred to them by. Sad thing is the white with orange and purple stripes looked great and was very easy to do. The colors were inspired by the Phoenix Suns basketball team colors. They also did away with Tico, the sun logo because someone decided it was racist because it had dingle balls on the brim of his sombrero. :BangHead:
 
I did some Aussie coach work many years ago and we were involved in outfitting new coaches as well as converting old coaches into motorhomes which meant in some cases stripping back to the skeleton and redoing everything. The pics here are of one of the last ones I did, the interior plus wiring and a lot of fitment items too. The dash was a sea of wiring for all the multitude of electrical items found throughout such a bus with about 20 to 30 switches fitted into it.
Note the slide out cabin on the right hand side.

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I'm going to preserve my Golden Gate as a transit bus, so that's one more that will get to live on.

Jeff
Probably a good call, I imagine the conversion cost vs value to be the typical loss... and a PITA on an RTS. A little history is nice to see, even if not what I would want to do... just from a storage aspect (you have a much bigger/better garage).

I had looked at RTS busses a little, 15 years ago. I traded messages with a fellow up by Daytona, who was converting one... looking at some of his headaches and mechanical issues helped steer me away from them. I did think the modular design was pretty neat, just not well suited to my infield camper aspirations.

That looks like a great set up at Carlisle... except, maybe, how many spaces she sits on.
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BTW, how rare is a VF V-Drive? The diminishing parts supply issue was scary to me back then, and ultimately helped me decide to stay away from GM coaches... expensive/hard to find stuff is tough for someone when poop goes wrong.
 
I did some Aussie coach work many years ago and we were involved in outfitting new coaches as well as converting old coaches into motorhomes which meant in some cases stripping back to the skeleton and redoing everything
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You put the steps on the wrong side.
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That one is easy, it has plugs and color coded wires. Try a big truck one, all white wires with circuit numbers tagged, and printed on the insulation. All fine and dandy for the first couple of years, till the aluminum tags rot off and the wired are so dirty they are unreadable. Go ahead clean them off with some brake clean and then no numbers at all.
 
That one is easy, it has plugs and color coded wires. Try a big truck one, all white wires with circuit numbers tagged, and printed on the insulation. All fine and dandy for the first couple of years, till the aluminum tags rot off and the wired are so dirty they are unreadable. Go ahead clean them off with some brake clean and then no numbers at all.
I can't fathom that even today they haven't come into the 21st century with their harnesses. What's holding them back?
 
I can't fathom that even today they haven't come into the 21st century with their harnesses. What's holding them back?
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How much more$ could a purple wire with a black stripe be than running it through a printer to ink the number on and then crimp a aluminum band with a number stamped in it.
I would like to see pictures, in his padded cell, of the poor tech that got stuck with a improperly tagged harness. You know it happened.
I'm not 100% sure the new ones are not color coded. All my junk is from the last century, and staying that way.
 
The transit buses Phoenix bought after RTS's were NABI's. The wireing on those looked like it was done in someone's garage. Butt connectors and spade connectors just crimped on. They were built in Budapest Hungary so I guess that explains it.
 
It's long gone now. They redid the downtown terminal and stuck 4401 behind the maintenance shop. It was still there in behind the shop in 2010 when I retired but it's gone from there now too. Probably got auctioned off so no telling where it is.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope it went to a good home. I can cross that trip to the downtown terminal off the list. I'd like to get there early enough on a Saturday to run over to Desert Valley some time, but so far I haven't arrived at the Flying J before 1 or 2 pm.
 
I can't fathom that even today they haven't come into the 21st century with their harnesses. What's holding them back?
Harnesses traditionally were designed on paper with a pencil toting Designer running back and forth between the drawing board and the proto-type harness in the Technical Dept.
Now, an idiot sits at a computer, creates a harness from A to Z skipping B through Y. That idiot is probably an Indian. That Indian has never touched a plug or connector. You get the result.
 
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