Cottage industry thoughts

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I've only been on this forum a couple of weeks. My past forum experiences have been reloading and bullet casting forums. This forum is way different from those. Much better for my BP.

Some of you guys have really got some skills. If you watch enough episodes of Wheeler Dealers, you get that they have small workshops in abundance specializing in car repairs. I could manage a lot of those restorations. How do you price the services? Is there a model for that?
 
There is no Guide to Restoration Costs out there.
You join a damn good forum.
As each thing you want to do, you ask us.
We have all paid dearly at something.
 
That is a tough gig. The hardest part that you will deal with is quality vs time ($$$$) expectations.
 
I feel the need to mention, you will starve if you specialize in c- bodies. Two big hurdles, one our car values are too low, second the virtual non- existence to repopped cosmetic items.

To answer your original question the 2 shops I know quote an hourly wage plus materials.
 
I read this last night and wanted to see what kind of responses you got before I gave you my two cents.

First, I love the entrepreneurial part of this. My personal experience with owning a business was the high point of my life. I sold out to my partners last year only so I can retire.

The business model you would use kind of depends on what you want to do. I'm assuming you aren't talking about a full blown "one stop" restoration shop.

If it were me, first thing to do is to figure out a component(s) you would be good at repairing and restoring. Do some research of the market.. Car shows.. forums.. and most importantly, internet searches. Find if there is any demand or if you can create a demand for your services. Check out the competition too. You don't want to get into an already saturated market. You'll also want to figure out if you want to stay within the confines of one model or brand.

Once you've got that, now you need to figure out how you are going to deal with the customers. Is the item you are going to restore shippable? UPS, USPS, Fed Ex? Can it easily be shipped? You are going to get more people shipping you their dash clock versus shipping you the rear end from their car. Can you properly package and return? And pass those costs on easily?

Are you willing to take paypal and credit cards? That's a big one right there. Yea.. it's 3% off the top... but you will bring in more business when you take the plastic... and you won't have to deal with bounced checks.

Next you will need to get the word out there.... If you are serious about it, you will need a decent web site at minimum. Figure out if you want to deal with emails only or if you can take phone calls. I'd stay with emails myself, but again, it depends on what you are restoring.

One other thing... Take a small business class at your local community college for a few weeks. This is one of the best things you can do for yourself. It will answer questions that you don't even know to ask right now.
 
Thanks Big John. The wife and I own a business. The things you mention regarding owning/running a business are rock solid advice. Our business is not auto industry related but we ship everyday.

What inspired the post was the trim restoration questions you replied to. I checked out the links and thought, gee, I could do that LOL. I watch Wheeler Dealers because of Edd China's work and Mike Brewers resourcefulness at finding local talent. I'm going to keep watching and see if there might be a niche that might suit my talents and could be done in my spare time.
 
Let me know if you have any 1978 New Yorker/Newport questions....

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Thanks Big John. The wife and I own a business. The things you mention regarding owning/running a business are rock solid advice. Our business is not auto industry related but we ship everyday.

What inspired the post was the trim restoration questions you replied to. I checked out the links and thought, gee, I could do that LOL. I watch Wheeler Dealers because of Edd China's work and Mike Brewers resourcefulness at finding local talent. I'm going to keep watching and see if there might be a niche that might suit my talents and could be done in my spare time.

You've got 90% of it already!

Trim resto is an excellent idea! There's a need for it.
 
Wait, Tink. My response was based on the fact that your post was to ask how to estimate restorations.
Are you saying you are looking for a niche within the industry?

I know what that thing is, Bob. Your thingamabodgit.
 
Glad to hear your looking for a niche. I got quotes by the foot for polishing trim 12 and 16 per foot. Since I have a hundred feet on the 300 I did it myself.

The first day I probably polished for a good 6 hours straight. My hand were tired but my jaw hurt. I realized the next day I was clutching my teeth together. Live and learn.
 
Glad to hear your looking for a niche. I got quotes by the foot for polishing trim 12 and 16 per foot. Since I have a hundred feet on the 300 I did it myself.

The first day I probably polished for a good 6 hours straight. My hand were tired but my jaw hurt. I realized the next day I was clutching my teeth together. Live and learn.

Thanks.
 
While I don't plan to ever go into business for myself, I'll provide you just a few tips of what customers expect from a niche business:

Have a real, working website. Not a goddamned facebook page, nor a default Google + page, none of that stuff. A true "www.mybusinessname.whatever". There are more and more of us scouring the web because we can multitask our home chores with website searching in the interim and not everyone has a facebook. Also, don't have a website that has an early internet appearance, IE, flashing gifs and endless scrolling circa 1997. Your website is a perception of what/who you are as a business. Don't skimp on a quality website. Buy once, cry once.

Actually reply to your customer inquiries as this is part of being a business owner. Too many times I've sent an email to a business only to never receive a response.

And lastly, providing a forum discount to your favorite forum is a great way to gain additional business as well as interact in real time with your customers. Playing "the man behind the curtain" adds a bit of unneeded mystery to your business if you're not visible and present to the people who pay for your services.

Sorry for the rant, its not really directed at anyone. I primarily wanted to voice my disgust with businesses who cheap out and use facebook as their sole means of advertising/business.
 
Nice website, thanks. All good things to consider with the answers to this post. I appreciate the feedback.
 
I've been working on a B body project for the past couple of years, with the intention of finding out if a kid under 20 or so can get themselves into a nice 70s car for less than half the price of a new entry-level car. Essentially $8,500.

We've had a lot of success and gotten a lot of attention from this effort, and I think I see a segment of the market that's definitely underserved and that's the driver market. These are the guys, usually lower-income and young, who want an old car that looks and drives good, but don't want a full-blown restoration or high-end resto-mod car.

A problem we see a lot is the minute you roll into a body shop with an old car, the owners starts wanting to sell you a restoration, and wants to make sure everything is original (re: expensive) and "done right" (re: all metal and expensive). Back in the 1970s and 1980s, if our cars needed parts, we went to the junkyard and got whatever was there that would fit. And if we had a dent, it got fixed with Bondo. A lot of guys today have fits about Bondo, but the reality is they'll also tell you they run a magnet over cars they are interested in to see if there is any Bondo, and the reason they have to do that is a good Bondo job is impossible to spot. So if you're more interested in looks than paying a gazillion bucks for metal work, Bondo is just fine.

If I were starting a business, I would come up with a business plan that allows me to better serve the low-end of the collector car market. Market Bondo repairs vice new sheetmetal or fabrication. Market cheaper factory-type paint jobs vice high-end lacquer ones. Build up an interchange reference that will allow you to offer lower-cost alternatives to OEM components.

Most of these drivers want a car that looks nice, and drives nice, for not a lot of money, and that population is way underserved right now.
 
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