1967 Fury Wagon With 727 Transmission And 440 Engine Won’t Move

[SportFury70]

Hi Everyone,

Happy Easter. I’m trying to help my stepdad with why his transmission doesn’t want to work in his ‘67 Fury wagon before he sends it off to have it looked at and fixed. He recently swapped a 440 and 727 in the car and the engine runs fine but the car doesn’t want to move when its put in gear. And let me clarify thats any gear whether its reverse or drive. My stepdad put fluid in it and it showed overfull on the dipstick, but the car still won’t move. Him and his friend think its the pump even though it has fluid in the converter, and he thinks that the transmission will have to get rebuilt. Does anyone have any ideas of what it could possibly be before we have that done?


Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.

 

[SportFury70]

More pictures of the transmission before it was bolted to the engine….

 

[Big_John]

First thing that comes to mind is the convertor not being seated properly in the transmission pump.

Does the transmission have an unknown history? They usually don't fail completely.

 

[MONC440]

First thing that comes to mind is the convertor not being seated properly in the transmission pump.

Does the transmission have an unknown history? They usually don't fail completely.

What Big John said.

If the converter was not seated the transmission typically will not mate to the engine without forcing it on with the bolts. When you do this it usually breaks the tabs on the pump gear. Do you know if the transmission went on hard?

 

[MONC440]

Happy Easter!

Let’s go to the basics first. Was the fluid checked with the engine running and in neutral?

 

[Big_John]

it usually breaks the tabs on the pump gear.

Looking at one of the pics a little closer, that input shaft looks really messed up. I wonder if someone already did that.

 

[MONC440]

One quick way to see if the pump is moving fluid. Disconnect one of the cooling lines and strat the engine in neutral. If fluid flows out it is pumping something.

 

[MONC440]

Looking at one of the pics a little closer, that input shaft looks really messed up. I wonder if someone already did that.

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Good catch I didn’t look at the pictures that closely but yes that converter hub is gulled up badly. I would never let that pass on a rebuild.

 

[MONC440]

This

Should look like this

 

[SportFury70]

Does the transmission have an unknown history?

What my stepdad knows is that its an Ammco rebuild, it came from a friend and out of a ‘73 Charger 400

 

[SportFury70]

Do you know if the transmission went on hard?

No it did not

 

[SportFury70]

Was the fluid checked with the engine running and in neutral?

Yes it was

 

[SportFury70]

One quick way to see if the pump is moving fluid. Disconnect one of the cooling lines and strat the engine in neutral. If fluid flows out it is pumping something.

Hmmm, we did not try that. Thanks for the tip

 

[MONC440]

Any updates?

 

[SportFury70]

Any updates?

Thanks for checking in but sadly no, not yet.

 

[Gerald Morris]

Thanks for checking in but sadly no, not yet.

Check the fluid flow from that cooling line! A rebuilt tranny with a PROPERLY rebuilt pump should spurt the fluid from the cooling line nice and steady. I suspect yours won't, esp seeing how badly that pump shaft is marred, YET THEY USED IT ON THE REBUILD! Pity the perpetrators of that couldn't have a "rebuild" put on their bodies of comparable Kwollitee.

 

[Just Carbs]

Is the 400 an internally or externally balanced motor.
Would it use a different flex plate and or torque converter than the 440?
Probably wouldn't explain no go, but if it don't balance, that would be why.

 

[MONC440]

Thanks for checking in but sadly no, not yet.

If you find you need it rebuilt I can help if you are close to southern Michigan area.

 

[SportFury70]

If you find you need it rebuilt I can help if you are close to southern Michigan area.

Thank you for your offer, but I am in Connecticut about 12 hours away. We do know a fellow who could do it IF we do have to go down that road

 

[SportFury70]

“Update”, although not much of one:

I asked my stepdad whether he did or was going to do that trick you recommended with the cooling line @MONC440, and he says “i’m done with it”. So he did not do it , he says his friend is going to come get the car on either Sunday or Monday to bring it to his shop and yank out the transmission there because he has a lift and we don’t. Sorry for the news, but I will keep you all updated with what happens.