HELP! 1967 POLARA 500 440hp & 4speed PRODUCTION INFO (GALEN)

[RemCharger]

Why, when they can get a new block from 440 source?

I don't believe you are recognizing what's all there. The only difference between that entire drivetrain and a 67 coronet rt/ gtx/ charger is th oil pan, LH manifold, possibly LH valvecover. The whole Hemi trans and shifter is the same.



The air cleaner is worth a grand...

 

[fury fan]

Yeah, but isn't this particular air cleaner taller on the C-body than the B-body?
Therefore - not worth quite as much?
If it's the same, I have a decent powdercoated one I'll sell for a bit less.

 

[RemCharger]

Anyway, there ya go for those interested, I'll let you know how it all shakes down!

 

[DAGGUM MOPARS]

just a quick update that I purchased the cars. Pretty sure the Polara 500 had not been moved in over 40 years.

 

[RemCharger]

 

[GOLDMYN]

congrats, your responsibility now is to supply us with enormous amount of pictures!

 

[Owen11x]

I have honestly never been so jealous of someone I've never met... There's heaven on earth. I would take both of those cars over a 70 hemi cuda!! Big block 4 speed, and also mopars best looking fast back "fast top" ever made TO ME!

 

[Stev]

We can estimate 0.3 percent three speed production based on the automatic and four speed estimates. Crunching numbers gives us about 160 three speeds.

The chart pretty much features optional items meaning if the three speed was a standard offering, I don't think it would be repoprted as a separate column.

Was a /6 available in a 67 Dodge C body?

However...I'd love to see any supporting documentation for this grid, like an O&A report, myself.

I've seen an extremely nice '66 polara 4 door sedan with a slant six for sale here in vancouver with period photos of the car with the slant in it. So they do exist. I've never seen any sales/options stuff with a slant listed, but special things could be ordered if you asked the sales guy nicely enough. Who would shell out for a C-Body but be miserly enough to demand a tiny little economy motor for it, I have know idea. But clearly that guy existed.

As for the 4 speed car this thread is about. It can be saved, looks far straighter and easier than my car was. Just know you'll never make a dime off it. Personally i'd make it into a sick unicorn of a muscle car. Forget a nice interior just get it spartan but livable, mechanically restore it/spice it up, and rock it as it is.

 

[MoPar~Man]

I've seen an extremely nice '66 polara 4 door sedan with a slant six for sale here in vancouver with period photos of the car with the slant in it. So they do exist. I've never seen any sales/options stuff with a slant listed, but special things could be ordered if you asked the sales guy nicely enough. Who would shell out for a C-Body but be miserly enough to demand a tiny little economy motor for it, I have know idea. But clearly that guy existed.

As for the 4 speed car this thread is about. It can be saved, looks far straighter and easier than my car was. Just know you'll never make a dime off it. Personally i'd make it into a sick unicorn of a muscle car. Forget a nice interior just get it spartan but livable, mechanically restore it/spice it up, and rock it as it is.

My first car (in '83, which I owned up until 1998) was a '65 4-door Polara, made in Windsor, with a slant-6. But the production numbers we have for C-bodies during the slab years seem to be only for US-made or US-sold cars.

There is really no difference other than exterior sheet-metal styling for the Monaco/Polara during '65 - '68. The car's weight and mechanicals didn't change. Clearly the slant was a workable engine for these cars. I drove mine from Toronto to Key West in '88 and Toronto to New Orleans in '94. There might have been different tax-structures in place in Canada vs US when it came to additional charges based on engine displacement (and certainly air conditioning) that would account for the slant being an option in Canada. We all know that in Canada the 318 was the standard for Dodge/Plymouth vs the 383 in the US.

Cars made in Canada were able to be sold in the UK and Australia with more favorable tax / duty treatment vs cars made in the USA. I do believe the UK had an auto sales tax structure at the time that was based on engine displacement.

There might even be more 65-68 Fury's in Canada with the slant vs Monaco/Polara. I would expect that, given market positioning of Plymouth / Dodge / Chrysler.

 

[Stev]

My first car (in '83, which I owned up until 1998) was a '65 4-door Polara, made in Windsor, with a slant-6. But the production numbers we have for C-bodies during the slab years seem to be only for US-made or US-sold cars.

There is really no difference other than exterior sheet-metal styling for the Monaco/Polara during '65 - '68. The car's weight and mechanicals didn't change. Clearly the slant was a workable engine for these cars. I drove mine from Toronto to Key West in '88 and Toronto to New Orleans in '94. There might have been different tax-structures in place in Canada vs US when it came to additional charges based on engine displacement (and certainly air conditioning) that would account for the slant being an option in Canada. We all know that in Canada the 318 was the standard for Dodge/Plymouth vs the 383 in the US.

Cars made in Canada were able to be sold in the UK and Australia with more favorable tax / duty treatment vs cars made in the USA. I do believe the UK had an auto sales tax structure at the time that was based on engine displacement.

There might even be more 65-68 Fury's in Canada with the slant vs Monaco/Polara. I would expect that, given market positioning of Plymouth / Dodge / Chrysler.

That makes a good deal of sense.

 

[DAGGUM MOPARS]

I was able to retrieve rhe broadcast sheet this morning. Its pretty crispy and difficult to read, but miraculously came out in one piece. Several lines are pretty illegible but able to make out the vin, engine trans diff etc. This is actually the first time I've bought a car that had the broadcast sheet still in place. Pretty exciting!

 

[cbarge]

Cars made in Canada were able to be sold in the UK and Australia with more favorable tax / duty treatment vs cars made in the USA.

When Canada was still part of the British Commonwealth, there were no import tarriffs,taxes or duties.
Thats why there were many Voxhauls,Anglia's,Cortina's Jaguars,Rovers,Mini's and other British cars on Canadian soil.
Even a few Mopar powered Jensen's.
Ditto cars built in Canada being exported to other Commonwealth countries. No import tarrifs.
Not 100% sure but anybody across the pond can chime in that England had a gas guzzler tax of some sort based on engine size

 

[GOLDMYN]

lucky it's in one piece, mine was 4 pieces

 

[Stev]

When Canada was still part of the British Commonwealth, there were no import tarriffs,taxes or duties.
Thats why there were many Voxhauls,Anglia's,Cortina's Jaguars,Rovers,Mini's and other British cars on Canadian soil.
Even a few Mopar powered Jensen's.
Ditto cars built in Canada being exported to other Commonwealth countries. No import tarrifs.
Not 100% sure but anybody across the pond can chime in that England had a gas guzzler tax of some sort based on engine size

England actually had taxes based on horsepower but not torque which resulted in motors like the Jaguar XK6 meant for low end grunt. Australia has and had not only tax based on engine displacement and cylinder count, but also restrictions on what a driver is allowed to own/drive based on how long you've had a license, which is why the V8 is so uncommon and so strongly mythologized over there. I guess the slant makes some sense in that context.

Japan also has displacement based "Luxury Tax" that you actually have to pay annually on your car if your engine displaces a certain amount. This is why they're so fascinated with tiny little engines with incredible forced induction and super complicated valvetrains, because it turns out legislators don't actually understand anything and don't know that forcing more air in is functionally larger displacement. Which is why Japanese cars are so popular in Australia as it fits their absurd regulations as well.