70bigblockdodge
Old Man with a Hat
That sounds like my kind of car. Some tinfoil hats for the PCM and body control module so that the car has no idea what the calendar date is and it will drive forever.
Is this Monaco worth $2500?
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RemCharger
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I have 3 monaco 500s, and a polara 500, all 68s
1 has the 3 spoke wheel, 1 has a 2 spoke with half trim ring, 1 has a 2 spoke no trim ring.
The polara has a 2 spoke no ring as well.
All Canadian cars.
SGT FURY
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It’s a good color
Top of the line model.
Looks to fairly solid.
$2500 seems like a deal
Top of the line model.
Looks to fairly solid.
$2500 seems like a deal
cdmcclellan71
Member
We're are you in Northern CA? I lived in Auburn for 40 years. I ended up getting this car for $1600.. do you have pictures of your cars handy?
SGT FURY
Senior Member
Santa Rosa
I have several C body parts cars
No 67 dodges though
I do have a NOS front bumper for 67 dodge though
I have several C body parts cars
No 67 dodges though
I do have a NOS front bumper for 67 dodge though
cdmcclellan71
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I lived in Petaluma for a while and ran a beer sales route up and down 101.
SGT FURY
Senior Member
Born and raised in Petaluma myself.
Moved to Santa Rosa 15 years ago!
Moved to Santa Rosa 15 years ago!
cdmcclellan71
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Any advice on wheels? I like the look of the hubcaps and the stance of the car pictured and it seems I can find those for around $100.. but of course they're the stock 14's. It doesn't seem that I'm able to find decent tires these days that size, affordably anyway, unless someone has suggestions.
I do have a set of steel 15's that I can use which were originally on a Ford. Should I go with those? Any suggestions on hubcaps for them? I can't really budget rims at this point as I'm going to be focusing on the interior before any rim upgrades.
Mechanical first and foremost.. however I need to make this a roller to get it where it needs to go.
Thanks for your input
I do have a set of steel 15's that I can use which were originally on a Ford. Should I go with those? Any suggestions on hubcaps for them? I can't really budget rims at this point as I'm going to be focusing on the interior before any rim upgrades.
Mechanical first and foremost.. however I need to make this a roller to get it where it needs to go.
Thanks for your input
cdmcclellan71
Member
These are 15's and I do like the style.. on ebay, they want $100 and an additional $60 to ship.. I don't think so, but I like the look.
The 15's are 1969- 70 wheelcovers.
Best to go with 15 inch wheels with 22575r15 or 23570r15.
The Phord wheels may fit just check the center register first before indtalling new rubber.
If you can find a set of Mopar 15x7 wheels off a 5th Ave or Diplomat that will be the cheapest and best choice.
Shown here is the correct early 67 15 in wheel cover..
Screen shot of the late 67 and newer 15 incher.
Hankook Kinergy comes in 215-75-14 and comes in a white-wall version. I bought 4 of them back in January but haven't put them on rims yet. These are for the exact same car you have ('67 Monaco). I think they were $130 each. That size is the closest size available for 14" rims to the original tires these cars would have had. If you don't care about having a white-wall (white stripe) on the tires, there might be a few more options for that size. There are also trailer tires that come in that size.
Your only other option for the stock 14" x 5.5 rims is 225-70-14. The Hankook Kinergy also comes in that size, as well as General Altimax, Cooper Cobra and BF Goodrich Radial TA. 225 is pushing it in terms of tire width for those rims. Better to put the 225 on a 6 or 6.5" rim if you can find a good cheap set. There are no 235 or 245 tires for 14" rims.
I have a collection of about 20 of those hub caps you are showing (the 14" with red painted center cap). I was collecting them to get the best (rust-free) center cap. The center cap tends to pit, sometimes badly on those hubcaps. But in the end I'm putting the Hankooks on a set of old 14" Magnum rims that I bought that are in really good shape.
If you go to 15" rims, a 225-75-15 tire will be about 6% larger in diameter than 215-75-14 and by my calculations will put your speedo off by 4 mph at 70 mph. A 235-70-15 would be slightly smaller and only 3 mph off. A 215-70-15 would be a very well-matched tire size for the original diameter of the G78-14 biased tires.
Your only other option for the stock 14" x 5.5 rims is 225-70-14. The Hankook Kinergy also comes in that size, as well as General Altimax, Cooper Cobra and BF Goodrich Radial TA. 225 is pushing it in terms of tire width for those rims. Better to put the 225 on a 6 or 6.5" rim if you can find a good cheap set. There are no 235 or 245 tires for 14" rims.
I have a collection of about 20 of those hub caps you are showing (the 14" with red painted center cap). I was collecting them to get the best (rust-free) center cap. The center cap tends to pit, sometimes badly on those hubcaps. But in the end I'm putting the Hankooks on a set of old 14" Magnum rims that I bought that are in really good shape.
If you go to 15" rims, a 225-75-15 tire will be about 6% larger in diameter than 215-75-14 and by my calculations will put your speedo off by 4 mph at 70 mph. A 235-70-15 would be slightly smaller and only 3 mph off. A 215-70-15 would be a very well-matched tire size for the original diameter of the G78-14 biased tires.
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cdmcclellan71
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Great tire information! Thank you.
Would you be wanting to sell 5 of those hubcaps in decent shape??
Would you be wanting to sell 5 of those hubcaps in decent shape??
It's better (cheaper when it comes to shipping) if you buy a set off ebay. Put this into an ebay search:
1967 dodge monaco polara hubcap
You'll find many for sale. This is how an original G78-14 bias tire (Uniroyal Fastrak) looks on a '67 Monaco:
1967 dodge monaco polara hubcap
You'll find many for sale. This is how an original G78-14 bias tire (Uniroyal Fastrak) looks on a '67 Monaco:
The original factory tire size is 8.55-14. Which is 28 inches talll.
21575r14 and 21570r15 are too small.
( Yes I know many run the 2157514 since there is no other choice)
22570r15 is Ok but either 22575r15 or 23570r15 are at the same outer diameter.
Plymouth C's came with 8.25-14 which a 22570r15 is perfect.
Been in the tire biz for over 20 years and did a ton of olderl car tire conversions.
Left is 22570r15 on M body 15x7. Right is 21570r15 on 15x5.5 rims.
Big difference.
Big difference.
cdmcclellan71
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Which 14" tire would be the closest to factory specs?
The original tire is 8.25-14 for a standard Monaco or Polara (non-station wagon or non-disk brakes). That's for all engine sizes (318, 383 and 440). If the car had A/C and a 440, the size was 8.55-14. If it had a trailer-towing package, then the size was 8.55-14 for all engine sizes (even 318).
That info comes straight from the 67 Monaco/Polara service manual. If the car had disk brakes and various other options, the size ranges from 8.15-15 to 8.45-15.
I've never come across a historical document or source for measurements for the old tire sizes such as 8.25-14, only matching tables.
Coker tire's specs for a biased 8.25-14 tire show a diameter as 27.6 inch, and show the equivalent metric size as 225-75-14. When you select a G78 tire, the diameter spec is 27.1 and the equivalent metric size is 215-75-14. Coker shows an 8.15-15 tire has having 27.7 inch diameter, and an 8.55-14 as 28.1 inch. I'm unable to understand their bias-look radial tire sizes.
A theoretical 215-78-14 tire would have a diameter of 27.2 inches, and a 215-80-14 would be 27.5 inches. 215-75-14 is (mathematically) 26.7 inch and if this is accurate in a real tire, then I agree it's at least a half-inch shorter in diameter vs what you'd like to have. A 225-75-14 would be ideal, but there are no tires available in that size.
Next year when I have the Hankooks mounted I'll be in a position to measure the actual diameters (loaded and unloaded) of the 215-75-14 and G78-14 tires.
edit: There apparently are 215-80-14 tires available under the Nankang brand and also "Leao tyre Nova-Force Van" brand. European availability, not sure about North America.
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Although no longer available in broad market tire brands, 22575r14.
69 Fury..22570r15 on M body 15x7 rims,factree wheel covers.
68 Newport...23570r15 on 15x7 Magnum 500
67 Monaco 500..disc brake car, original 15x5.5 with 22575r15 with original disc brake wheel covers.
68 Newport...23570r15 on 15x7 Magnum 500
67 Monaco 500..disc brake car, original 15x5.5 with 22575r15 with original disc brake wheel covers.
A tire size calculator would give the diameters of those tires as 27.4 and 26.9, for a difference of half an inch. I'm having a hard time believing the sizes are as you state.
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