Local police receiving surplus heavy armor. What do you think?

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I have mixed feelings about this. I can see a practical and tactical advantage that SWAT teams would have with our surplus armor/firepower in rare incidents that really require this level of armor/firepower. It was designed to fight Hadji every day who is trying to kill GI's with Russian/Chinese RPG's (Rocket Propelled Grenades), IED's, and shape charges. The problem I have......there are numerous locals that think they are Rambo with this stuff. I have seen numerous SWAT Teams with camo uniforms with silly amounts of weapons. Really??? Camo in the streets of Baltimore, Milwaukee, New York, Los Angeles??? I just see an abuse of power too much with military equipment. GPS, drones, electronic communication surveillence, military surplus firepower, stun guns....all designed for military use and abused by the locals. I see them having these MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicles and just crashing through houses with them.

Sorry about the rant..... I just hate it when local law enforcement use stun guns as an intimidation tool or a compliance threat instead of a last non-lethal effort in a real life or death situation as it is supposed to be deployed. This happens a lot in the U.S. You would be surprised on the number of deaths in the U.S. from stun guns and NO PROSECUTIONS for the unjustified bullshit deaths. I just can't imagine these same idiots having MRAP combat vehicles.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/2...-local-police-equipment-designed-for-warzone/

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Things are going to continue to move in this direction, but this is what the taxpayers want. Many have no clue who it is that they are voting for and the media is complicit. I'm not going to get on my soap box on this, I could talk all day.

Does any of you also know that there is provisions in Obamacare that puts $$ aside for the development of an armed civilian force to be used in emergencies? What do you think they are going to be used for? People want to be controlled and don't want a free country, they are making sure their kids/grandkids, etc do not have one.

You have some good points Bob, but keep in mind that there are also deaths/injuries that are avoided because stun guns are available instead of a gun. This door swings in both directions.
 
You're right.......but I see way too much abuse with stun guns.
 
Just put Janet Reno in charge. She did a great job at Ruby Ridge & Waco....
 
I'll save you my rants and say I'm wildly opposed to it. And unfortunately I'm in the minority in this day and age.
 
This isn't just happening in big urban areas.... I was in Illion, NY last year for work and stopped at the local drug store. When I came out, I happened to look over and there was an armored Hum Vee, complete with gun turret on the roof, sitting behind the police station.

Ever hear of Illion, NY? About 8,000 people and Remington Arms call it home.

I have no idea what kind of scenario that would call this into use.
 
They'll be the last town in the country.
Holding out to the end.

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As you enter out little town, the first thing you are greeted with is the National Guard Armory proudly displaying Bob's "bulldozer" tank out front pointed at incoming traffic from the North.

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Does any of you also know that there is provisions in Obamacare that puts $$ aside for the development of an armed civilian force to be used in emergencies?
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I know, they could call it the Volkssturm!
 
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Anyone remember when this was going on ??

Only to be shut down as a bunch of Anti Obama supporters crying foul !!!

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In Barack Obama’s July 2, 2008 speech calling America to national service, Obama proposed “a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as our military... This has prompted some in the blogosphere to raise the specter of a huge new domestic paramilitary organization. Others suggest that he may have been talking about our “current non-military security agencies...

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He said: "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."


Larry Pratt, Gun Owners Of America Leader: Obama Building Paramilitary Homeland Security Force

The Huffington Post | By Nick Wing Posted: 05/16/2013 4:59 pm EDT







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Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, believes that President Barack Obama is building an armed force in the Department of Homeland Security meant to be “equally as powerful as the military.”
In an interview this month with conspiracy theorist and radio host Pete Santilli and first caught by Right Wing Watch, Pratt matter-of-factly agreed with Santilli's theory that Obama was developing a "fighting force" that could be used "against the American people" or "in opposition to a military."
"During his ’08 campaign, the president had talked about setting up some kind of, what did he call it, a national security force -- something of that sort -- that would be equally as powerful as the military," Pratt said. "Well, that should have told us what he was up to. If he can’t actually commandeer the military, then he’ll bulk up the Department of Homeland Insecurity and he’ll have them buy a gazillion bullets ... These are anti-personnel rounds. These are not target practice rounds. They’re not semiwadcutters, they’re not even the military ball ammo, they’re anti-personnel."
Pratt went on to suggest that it was possible that the ammunition acquisitions could also be a ploy by Obama to "drive up the price and lower the availability of ammunition in particular."
Listen to Pratt's comments below, via Right Wing Watch:
Reports of large-scale purchases of ammunition by federal agencies have set off conspiracy theorists, some of whom have been quick to conclude that the government must be preparing for civil unrest. Officials have meanwhile explained the big buys as having to do more with getting a good price for the ammunition. The Associated Press reported in February:
Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga. The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises. Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.
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That explanation hasn't mollified people like Pratt, however. In February, he agreed with fringe radio hosts Stan Solomon and Greg W. Howard, who claimed that Obama was seeking to "put together a racial force" to help him confiscate guns and "wipe out" those who resisted.
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Locking down Boston was a test run.
HowTF can you lock down a major city within hours?
Common sense tells you that should be impossible.
They did it.
Test run sucessful.
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Locking down Boston was a test run.
HowTF can you lock down a major city within hours?
Common sense tells you that should be impossible.
They did it.
Test run sucessful.
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I watched videos of them hustling people out of their houses. It reminded me of another video I watched once... except they didn't run them down into the ditches to be shot in the head.
 
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