Market for new lean burn computers?

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I have started getting into playing around with Raspberry Pi mini computers. I think that I could build a new direct replacement for Lean Burn set ups for under $100. Does anyone think there are enough Lean Burns left to make this worth while for people, or is the conversion just the best way to go?
 
Conversion.

Besides the computer ......there are a lot of other parts (in the Lean Burn system) that have to work in order for the Lean Burn to work. The other parts are impossible to find and the headache of Lean Burn was left behind by Chrysler when they cars were still new and they converted them to just plain old reliable electronic ignition.
 
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At least 50+% of the bad Lean Burn rap comes from points-era mechanics that refused to learn anything new, so they just threw parts and blamed their inability to diagnose a problem on "those damn computers".

That said, there were real issues... Computers were slow back then, and they had trouble keeping up with driver and sensor inputs. Sensors and actuators were both vacuum and electro-mechanical. These pieces are not robust to begin with, compound that issue with early O2 sensors and widely varying fuel quality. Gasket technology wasn't as good, and when vacuum leaks developed, "Lean Burn" wasn't easily made rich with the turn of a screwdriver.

Thus other than the aforementioned slow processing speed, computers were rarely the issue. Eventually "Lean Burn" became more reliable, and just as Aspen morphed into Diplomat and became beloved, Lean Burn became became Electronic Spark Control and lived until 1989 on V8 cars. I still see 5th Avenues in daily use, and their owners look like they barely know how to install gasoline into the tank, let alone "convert" the ignition system. I just drove an all-original '88 5th daily through the winter of 2014 and probably only opened the hood to top off washer fluid.

Chrysler, through it's experience in space-race electronics (Huntsville, AL) tried to do what no one else back then could do... Clean-up emissions by controlling fuel and spark based on sensor inputs, then run the whole thing on algorithms vs. a bunch of hang-on devices like catalytic convertors. Just like 2016. In '76, LB cars were clean enough to do without cats. But this was bleeding edge tech back then, and the hardware and techs were most definitely not up to the task. They apparently didn't learn **** from the experience, because by 1980, they were back at it with "Electronic Fuel Management" (1981-83 Imperial). :BangHead:
 
If you built it some will come. You cannot legally convert a lean-burn car in California from the years of 1976 and newer. If you were to offer this you would get some takers in Cali. Not only that, but with the rage for "Factory correctness," there would be other takers as well.
 
If you built it some will come. You cannot legally convert a lean-burn car in California from the years of 1976 and newer. If you were to offer this you would get some takers in Cali. Not only that, but with the rage for "Factory correctness," there would be other takers as well.
Good point. More places are moving in the California direction with emissions...
 
Lean burns are also multi spark discharge or MSD that everybody is giddy about. As Carmine mentioned these kept big blocks away from cats for 2 years, had financial problems not done away with big blocks till combustion chamber swirl technology came to be realised there would have been some kick *** heads on pickups way before the aftermarket showed up.
I would be interested to know if you can change parameters especially the timing curve made more aggressive?
 
Lean burns are also multi spark discharge or MSD that everybody is giddy about. As Carmine mentioned these kept big blocks away from cats for 2 years, had financial problems not done away with big blocks till combustion chamber swirl technology came to be realised there would have been some kick *** heads on pickups way before the aftermarket showed up.
I would be interested to know if you can change parameters especially the timing curve made more aggressive?
Yes, would love to own a 318 kick-*** Fifth Avenue!!!!

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Well since it would only have to pass a visual test by the guy doing the test, not State expert, then it just might if the box was the same externally. If you ended up with the State referee then maybe not so much.
 
Can't use "if" and "maybe" in a business model.
Unfortunately to do this as a legit business you would be held liable for the proof that it was just a replacement part or an upgrade that didn't affect emissions. If you look in summit or jegs you will find some late model stuff with CARB ID#s... I am not sure about the process to prove out your part, but I understand its expensive to do.
As far as I know none of the PCM tuning stuff is CARB compliant... but its not really my area.
 
Some of you may remember that Lean Burn was the first real attempt at computer controlled fuel management. Chrysler came back with electronic spark control in 81 and it worked great. (You should have seen the mess the General came out with in 81).
 
You'd be offering a motherboard for a system that rarely fails motherboards, but uses a specific keyboard, mouse, monitor and printer that didn't work well when new, and have been unavailable for two decades.

Of course we haven't even climbed the mountain of knowing the required algorithms to run the car at different loads and RPMS. And which car? A 360 2bbl or a 400 4bbl? 318 for 1977 or 78?

Better to invent a time machine and spare us the misery in the first place.
 
Well since it would only have to pass a visual test by the guy doing the test, not State expert, then it just might if the box was the same externally. If you ended up with the State referee then maybe not so much.
Lot of truth there. There are guys who have the lean burn still clearly in place and hooked up, but it's not. They run a MP ignition with the orange box hidden away in the wiper hole. A friend of mine offered to do that with my '79 Cordoba, but I said n. What I did instead was to simply re-install the LB and corresponding distributor every time it was to be inspected. Took some time but for me it was worth it.
 
Thanks for the input on this!

This came up with this idea after some casual research for a car project. I found that some people were updating older vehicles with current sensors to provide data for a custom digital dash. Speed, RPM, Fuel/Air mix, temps, and throttle position. This lead me down the path that this was what the old lean burns were working with. Could I help some folks out and maybe make a buck or two? Cursory information about the lean burns for me had been that the biggest killer had been vibration and heat. Thanks for righting that Carmine.

Then there was the leap from just taking data to using it to control something on the fly. Well, it's not impossible, but for me at this level of novice programming skill it might as well be.

Maybe an easy swap to something modern with older sensors? Not so. The Pi doesn't speak the same "language" so I would have to update to modern sensors also for this. That blows the cheap price tag. Not to mention the cost of installation for those modern sensors.

I'm not ready to give up on the idea of updating or controlling an older vehicle with newer tech. Seems to me there are real benefits to doing this. I'm just not the ready to tackle this kind of project yet.
 
Thanks for the input on this!

This came up with this idea after some casual research for a car project. I found that some people were updating older vehicles with current sensors to provide data for a custom digital dash. Speed, RPM, Fuel/Air mix, temps, and throttle position. This lead me down the path that this was what the old lean burns were working with. Could I help some folks out and maybe make a buck or two? Cursory information about the lean burns for me had been that the biggest killer had been vibration and heat. Thanks for righting that Carmine.

Then there was the leap from just taking data to using it to control something on the fly. Well, it's not impossible, but for me at this level of novice programming skill it might as well be.

Maybe an easy swap to something modern with older sensors? Not so. The Pi doesn't speak the same "language" so I would have to update to modern sensors also for this. That blows the cheap price tag. Not to mention the cost of installation for those modern sensors.

I'm not ready to give up on the idea of updating or controlling an older vehicle with newer tech. Seems to me there are real benefits to doing this. I'm just not the ready to tackle this kind of project yet.

I'm glad if I helped. I think another issue would be actuators (vs. just sensors). For example, the LB carbs have an enrichment solenoid that physically moves a part, as opposed to a fuel-injection system which simply increases the pulse width to the injector for a richer mix. The LB used a stepper motor to move carb linkage. There was another solenoid to open the bowl vent under certain conditions... When it didn't, the carb flooded in hot weather. Those are just examples of MANY weakest points. To redesign those components using modern micro-motors would be like building a vacuum tube DVD player. Or if you're a Star Trek fan.. This:

 
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