Old men w/hats now stronger than college freshhmen

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Hey I'll arm wrestle any one of you when we meet up some day at a car show.

Seriously though, Most of these people your complaining about are a small minority that the rest of use all roll our eyes at. Maybe that's just us in the midwest but that's been my experience. That being said though tuition rates are out of hand, especially going off what they used to be. It doesn't help when people refuse to get a degree that they can actually use to pay off their debts though.

At the end of the day this isn't a millennial issue, It's a stupid people issue. Your generation had them, your dad's generation had them, And I'm willing to bet that the next generation will have them.
 
Hey I'll arm wrestle any one of you when we meet up some day at a car show.

Seriously though, Most of these people your complaining about are a small minority that the rest of use all roll our eyes at. Maybe that's just us in the midwest but that's been my experience. That being said though tuition rates are out of hand, especially going off what they used to be. It doesn't help when people refuse to get a degree that they can actually use to pay off their debts though.

At the end of the day this isn't a millennial issue, It's a stupid people issue. Your generation had them, your dad's generation had them, And I'm willing to bet that the next generation will have them.
I totally have to disagree with you.
You, unfortunately, are now the exception. Along with several other young bucks here.
 
I totally have to disagree with you.
You, unfortunately, are now the exception. Along with several other young bucks here.
I'll take that as a compliment Commando, I'll just have to hope that I'm right for my own sake.
 
I totally have to disagree with you.
You, unfortunately, are now the exception. Along with several other young bucks here.
I don't believe the couple young people here are exceptions, thier opinions are not the same for the few we have on here and I don't believe all young people are like the propaganda that's being posted here. I think the problem is thier parents ( my age group). I am still friends with two people I went to school with one has a child and the other does not, I would not let either of them raise my kid. I do not belong to Facebook because it is a endless stream of the morons I went to school with and could not wait to get away from. The people I graduated with could not even figure out the math for thier 20th reunion and ended up having it at 21 years they did manage to get 30 right and I here through the grapevine that no one knows how to contact me yet my dad still lives in the same house. These morons have raised 20 something's, that if they are anything like their parents we are doomed. I'm a little behind the curve because I went out wandering half way around the world on uncle Sam's dime (oh look there is my free stuff) then I went out wandering around the country making dimes.
 
I don't blame kids for not wanting to mortgage their future for an education and that is distinguishable from the small minority that want everything for free. Do we really want the corporate alternative...

Hamburger University - McDonald's :: AboutMcDonalds.com

Not free as it will not be any good or put to any use or taken seriously, but it needs a overhaul for sure, this should be left to the states to define control universities have become non profit cash printing machines who have recruited professor's that don't teach and just work on pet projects, write papers and wine and dine prospective grant money people.

Another thing to add is if the government were to take over everyone that works for these universities would be another group of welfare recipients do little and collect a govt check with no chance to be let go for not performing assigned work.
 
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This is what it has become.

looking for a texting job

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I'm not holding my breath but perhaps this trend can be reversed with the help of some political will to take on multi-national corporate and financial interests.

Manufacturers bringing the most jobs back to America

Here's what DT has to say on the topic...
My policy is going to be something that's going to set the country back right. I mean, one of the big things is we have to take back jobs from China.

We have to take back jobs from Japan, and Vietnam, and Mexico, and virtually everybody that's taking our jobs and ruining our manufacturing base. And we have to put people to work. Because the real unemployment number is probably 21%. People give up looking for jobs. And they no longer become a statistic. And it's very unfair. So we have to put our country back to work. We have to get great jobs for people and good paying jobs for people. And we're going to be just fine.
 
Both my girls worked their asses off to pay for University so they wouldn't have the giant debt. We matched what ever they contributed. We knew long before they began University that without a personal stake in their own future they would not have taken it seriously. My oldest graduated this spring and the youngest is in her 3rd year of becoming a teacher like her Mum. Both work and live in their own rented homes while going to school. Our biggest problem is we don't get to see them enough as they are too busy. They have little sympathy for their whining granola eating sandal wearing yoga pant wearing entitlement demanding peers who vote socialist governments in so they get free stuff. You work hard you get ahead - they get it and I'm very proud of them!
 
Both my girls worked their asses off to pay for University so they wouldn't have the giant debt. We matched what ever they contributed. We knew long before they began University that without a personal stake in their own future they would not have taken it seriously. My oldest graduated this spring and the youngest is in her 3rd year of becoming a teacher like her Mum. Both work and live in their own rented homes while going to school. Our biggest problem is we don't get to see them enough as they are too busy. They have little sympathy for their whining granola eating sandal wearing yoga pant wearing entitlement demanding peers who vote socialist governments in so they get free stuff. You work hard you get ahead - they get it and I'm very proud of them!

The average cost of a year's tuition at a Canadian university was $5,772. The average cost of tuition and fees for the U.S. is $32,405 at private colleges, $9,410 for state residents at public colleges. The difference is particularly acute given the value of our dollar. I have some empathy for the kids south of the border.
 
The average cost of a year's tuition at a Canadian university was $5,772. The average cost of tuition and fees for the U.S. is $32,405 at private colleges, $9,410 for state residents at public colleges. The difference is particularly acute given the value of our dollar. I have some empathy for the kids south of the border.

Fratzog, is any of it subsidized by Quebec?

Either way, I agree with Doba. If they do not feel personally responsible for debt, ANY debt, they will blow it off.

IMHO, we are missing that a lot today in our world; personal responsibility for one's actions.
 
Fratzog, is any of it subsidized by Quebec?

Either way, I agree with Doba. If they do not feel personally responsible for debt, ANY debt, they will blow it off.

IMHO, we are missing that a lot today in our world; personal responsibility for one's actions.
According to the internet so it must be true :rolleyes: Quebec ($2,743) continued to pay the lowest average tuition fees. In comparison, undergraduate students in Ontario ($7,539) paid the highest average tuition fees in Canada, followed by students in Saskatchewan ($6,659). I like the idea of students sharing the cost but if we have to invest public funds into something education seems like a good bet.
 

Man Camp will be open to women in the future, who have told him these are skills they want to learn too.

"I think that craving is actually out there. Not just for men, but for women too. Some of the best feedback we've gotten about Man Camp has actually come from women," he said.

McPartlin is offering his skills as a river guide to the campers, but he will be learning too. At 39, he learned how to change the oil on a vehicle and says he came home excited to tell his wife.

"It feels really good," he said. "Once you start to have some of these skills you just feel like a more complete person."

Wait until these fellas learn how to change a flat... the ladies are going to show them up once they get involved, then how "complete" will they feel?
 
Man Camp will be open to women in the future, who have told him these are skills they want to learn too.

"I think that craving is actually out there. Not just for men, but for women too. Some of the best feedback we've gotten about Man Camp has actually come from women," he said.

McPartlin is offering his skills as a river guide to the campers, but he will be learning too. At 39, he learned how to change the oil on a vehicle and says he came home excited to tell his wife.

"It feels really good," he said. "Once you start to have some of these skills you just feel like a more complete person."

Wait until these fellas learn how to change a flat... the ladies are going to show them up once they get involved, then how "complete" will they feel?

I was changing the oil in my Dad's Plymouth wagon when I was FN 12.....
 
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