Thoughts on a 64, 413???

[Hipturd]

I came across an ad for 64 Chry with an original 413 drivetrain.
Is this engine rare and hard to come by?
Would this be a good donor engine for my 65 Fury seeing original poly was replaced?

 

[crv]

413s were made in large numbers, not rare.

 

[twostick]

413s were made in large numbers, not rare.

New pistons for them on the other hand are.

Kevin

 

[Loadrunner]

Good engine for a Fury if you like em big, heavy and thirsty.

Still, one of Chrysler legendary engines, bragging rights.

413 powered machines were feared on the strip.

To wit;

"Perhaps some spark of inspiration came from San Diego DJ Dick Boynton's success racing his 1963 Dragmaster truck, a Dodge D-100 powered by a 413-cubic inch 420-horse Max Wedge engine that won its B/FX (factory experimental) class at the 1963 Winternationals in Pomona by laying down a 12.71-second, 108.99-mph run. That's impressive for a 3,900-pound truck carrying 70 percent of its weight up front."

Hemi-Powered 1964 Dodge D-100 Custom Sports Special Was a Rebel

Immortalized in song;

"The song details a drag race between a Super-Stock 413 cu. in.-powered 1962 Dodge Dart and a fuel-injected 1963 Chevrolet Corvette Sting Ray and is derived from a longer poem by Christian. The song is sung from the perspective of the driver of the Sting Ray who brags that he will "shut down" the 413."

Shut Down (The Beach Boys song) - Wikipedia




If the price is right and the engine is low miles, stored inside and ran when pulled, buy it.

 

[CBODY67]

In the later 1950s and earlier 1960s, the "413" was the largest engien Chrysler had in their portfolio. Being such, it was also the beneficiary of many HP parts in those times and was a viery viable contender in racing activities. Even mentioned in some popular songs of that time. Always with some other competitor (i.e., Corvette or Jaguar) in a drag race or street racing situation. Plus NASCAR and similar. Not to forget the 300 Letter cars, or the Super Stock/Max Wedge race engine series.

Base engine in Imperials and New Yorkers was the single exhaust 340 horsepower version, with the dual exhaust version being 360 horsepower. For many model years. Could also be in Plymouths and Dodges, too.

But as the horsepower/engine size "wars" of the time progressed, an over-bore to 426 was inevitable and did happen. Which generated the 426-W wedge engine, at a time just as the 426-HEMI was arriving on the scene. And the later 440/350 ultimately replaced both of them, followed by the 440/375 in 1967.

A good engine that just got forgetten about as larger RB engines came online back then.

It was also in the medium-duty truck models and for stationary irrigation motors, too, well after the 440 had taken the helm as Chrysler's largest V-8 engine.

In current times, many might think "Why bother with a 413 when a 440 can be had, too?" It can appear to be "period correct" for your car, which would have had the 426-W in it. I suspect the added displacement of the 426-W vs. a 413 might be very minor for equal cam and such.

IF you can get it inexpensively (as they can be pretty much "not desired" in current times, except for those who might really need a 413 for something AND need to prove it really is a 413), then also investigate the piston/ring issue mentioned above. Otherwise, normal RB engine items should fit it. Investigate things completely, including the availability of 1965 motor mounts, and then make your own decision.

Hope this might help,
CBODY67

 

[70bigblockdodge]

If it runs, sure.
If you have to rebuild it, no. Money is the same if not cheaper for more common engine parts.
Their breathing is limited by the small bore size 4.135 vs 4.25 for 383 or 426, much like a Pontiac they can make great torque but run out of breath in high rpm situation. Perfect for a big heavy car.

 

[413]

413’s are great. Closed chamber heads and small exhaust valve gives great throttle response and bottom end torque.

So what kind of driving are you doing with the car?

The 65 drivers engine mount is unique, the block needs to have threaded bosses to mount this on the front of the block.

here is a photo of the mount and bolts.

 

[Hipturd]

As far as driving, I don’t do much over the speed limit, 0-60 kinda driving highway cruising
There is a LA engine in my car now and the mounts look like they have been fabricated a bit. Would the original poly mounts work on the 413?

 

[Hipturd]

Good engine for a Fury if you like em big, heavy and thirsty.

Still, one of Chrysler legendary engines, bragging rights.

413 powered machines were feared on the strip.

To wit;

"Perhaps some spark of inspiration came from San Diego DJ Dick Boynton's success racing his 1963 Dragmaster truck, a Dodge D-100 powered by a 413-cubic inch 420-horse Max Wedge engine that won its B/FX (factory experimental) class at the 1963 Winternationals in Pomona by laying down a 12.71-second, 108.99-mph run. That's impressive for a 3,900-pound truck carrying 70 percent of its weight up front."

Hemi-Powered 1964 Dodge D-100 Custom Sports Special Was a Rebel

Immortalized in song;

"The song details a drag race between a Super-Stock 413 cu. in.-powered 1962 Dodge Dart and a fuel-injected 1963 Chevrolet Corvette Sting Ray and is derived from a longer poem by Christian. The song is sung from the perspective of the driver of the Sting Ray who brags that he will "shut down" the 413."

Shut Down (The Beach Boys song) - Wikipedia




If the price is right and the engine is low miles, stored inside and ran when pulled, buy it.

68,000 miles still in the car , what is a good price??

 

[Loadrunner]

Not to forget the 300 Letter cars

Yeah, the letter cars...

While the Chevy freaks thought they had something with a 283 4bbl, Chrysler was out on the salt flats going 150mph with dual quad Hemis, and I recollect the later 413's did even better.

Makes me want to pull my old book out and read about it, a 70's Peterson's History of CDPP, no binding left in it from having been read endlessly, but I'd trust the info printed in it over the internet.

The speeds attained by the letter series on the Salt Flats from '55-63 or so stand forever as a testament to Mopar, as well as how hard Mopar was ruling NASCAR back then with Petty at the Helm, they had to devise all kinds of ways to denut the Hemi for the track, a single 4bbl is all they were allowed and even the Superbirds were circling the track at over 200mph, setting records no one could beat for a long time.

 

[Hipturd]

Good engine for a Fury if you like em big, heavy and thirsty.

Still, one of Chrysler legendary engines, bragging rights.

413 powered machines were feared on the strip.

To wit;

"Perhaps some spark of inspiration came from San Diego DJ Dick Boynton's success racing his 1963 Dragmaster truck, a Dodge D-100 powered by a 413-cubic inch 420-horse Max Wedge engine that won its B/FX (factory experimental) class at the 1963 Winternationals in Pomona by laying down a 12.71-second, 108.99-mph run. That's impressive for a 3,900-pound truck carrying 70 percent of its weight up front."

Hemi-Powered 1964 Dodge D-100 Custom Sports Special Was a Rebel

Immortalized in song;

"The song details a drag race between a Super-Stock 413 cu. in.-powered 1962 Dodge Dart and a fuel-injected 1963 Chevrolet Corvette Sting Ray and is derived from a longer poem by Christian. The song is sung from the perspective of the driver of the Sting Ray who brags that he will "shut down" the 413."

Shut Down (The Beach Boys song) - Wikipedia




If the price is right and the engine is low miles, stored inside and ran when pulled, buy it.

What is the right price, goes with the car at 68,000 original miles

 

[CBODY67]

What is the right price, goes with the car at 68,000 original miles

Now, that kind of sounds like a restoration project? At 68K miles, might just need a new set of rings and timing chain to run again, plus some cyl head freshening. What condition is the car in?

 

[Hipturd]

Now, that kind of sounds like a restoration project? At 68K miles, might just need a new set of rings and timing chain to run again, plus some cyl head freshening. What condition is the car in?

The guys parents parked the car in a garage in 1985 in running condition, apparently turns over by hand, oil is clean in it. Buddy lost the keys and not sure when it last ran. 4b carb single exhaust. Imperial car . Barn find condition???

 

[Loadrunner]

At 68K miles, might just need a new set of rings and timing chain to run again, plus some cyl head freshening.

At 68k a big block Chrysler isn't even broken in yet, shouldn't need rings for another 240 + 000 miles if treated right.

 

[1970FuryConv]

The guys parents parked the car in a garage in 1985 in running condition, apparently turns over by hand, oil is clean in it. Buddy lost the keys and not sure when it last ran. 4b carb single exhaust. Imperial car . Barn find condition???

What is the right price, goes with the car at 68,000 original miles

If the Imperial is rusted out and the drivetrain is the only thing it's good for $800-$1000. If the body is rust free, they may want $4000, $5000, who knows. More than you probably want to pay.

 

[Hipturd]

413’s are great. Closed chamber heads and small exhaust valve gives great throttle response and bottom end torque.

So what kind of driving are you doing with the car?

The 65 drivers engine mount is unique, the block needs to have threaded bosses to mount this on the front of the block.

here is a photo of the mount and bolts.

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Can you help me identify the mounts
And if they will work for the 413 engine? First is pass side

 

[Loadrunner]

Adapter plate?

 

[detmatt]

The guys parents parked the car in a garage in 1985 in running condition, apparently turns over by hand, oil is clean in it. Buddy lost the keys and not sure when it last ran. 4b carb single exhaust. Imperial car . Barn find condition???

How’s the body and interior?

 

[70bigblockdodge]

If you are just going to cruise the car/highway I would just keep and freshen the 318 poly engine. They are a better engine than a 413. As mentioned before if it was a running car sure, parked since 1985, no.
Your opening 3 cans of worms. Big block where a small block was. 1)Trans is different bellhousing and ball and trunion front driveshaft joint, pushbutton campared to cable column/floor shift. 2) You probably will need 1965 C body, big block mounts. A 1964 Imperial is not a 1965 up C body. 3) all the accessory brackets do not swap, so you end up with accessories that have been dormant since 1985, water pump, fuel pump, power steering pump, (alternator excluded) so you can change them now or breakdown and change them later.
Yes this swap can be done. Chevy easy, no.

 

[Loadrunner]

Get the Chrysler and get it going. sounds like a good one to me.

A lot more car than a Fury, but in a different way, maybe for a more mature car owner, no pretenses of high performance or need for red light races, just understated power, cushy comfort, the ride is probably a night and day difference, all things being equal like both cars in good fettle.

Not to mention the Imperial w 413 4bbl should walk all over the 318 Poly 2bbl Fury from a light.