Fratzog
Old Man with a Hat
Was the Royal Monaco a high-line sub-model of C body Monaco?
can't speak for the other years but for 69 the VIP doesn't say fury anywhere on it. might be splitting hairs but it could be confusing.Last call.
FURY (All) 65-74
SPORT SUBURBAN 65-77
GRAN FURY 74-77
Will cover all years Plymouth C-body. Any other monikers?
Does Sport Suburban cover all years of Plymouth wagons, 65-77?
Was there just Suburban or any other monikers?
I'm not sure but I think the 67 and 68 Imperial's were still officially D bodies. They shared no body work or trim with any other line in ma Mopars line up. The only thing they shared was unibody construction. That doesn't account for much. It wasn't until the fuselage era in 69 that they started to look like the rest of the Chrysler lineup. Or am I wrong,thoughts anyone?
A lot of the muscle centric Mopar sites will tell you D bodies were from 57 to 73, because they don't know anything about the full size cars beyond an interest in what they car use to try and resurrect some clapped out Dart.This is a myth spread by the engine pullers that we need to get straight for prosperity like Commando1 is doing with this spreadsheet.
Although the outer sheet metal was unique, the 67/ 68 Imperials were C unibodies under the fancy clothes with the longer Imperial stub frame. Like I've said before, they are stretched Cs or C series Imperials...whatever. Sadly Chrysler Corp did not say much on the matter, kind of like their poor marketing for the Imperial. D body means full frame cars. I have never seen any factory documentation that says otherwise.
Researching VIP's 1966-1969.can't speak for the other years but for 69 the VIP doesn't say fury anywhere on it. might be splitting hairs but it could be confusing.
And you have a "C".Nice work Stan, no arguments from me. Thanks or like or whatever.
"in the Fury brochures"I agree somewhat that Plymouth never calls the VIP a fury except that it is always shown in the Fury brochures. My 69 brochure cover says 69 Plymouth Fury but the first page is all about the top of the line VIP. The only difference between the VIP and any other Fury is the side molding and badges. I consider it the top of the line Fury but that's only my opinion.
Maybe the next round needs to identify Trim levels after the first draft is com
I agree somewhat that Plymouth never calls the VIP a fury except that it is always shown in the Fury brochures. My 69 brochure cover says 69 Plymouth Fury but the first page is all about the top of the line VIP. The only difference between the VIP and any other Fury is the side molding and badges. I consider it the top of the line Fury but that's only my opinion.
But the Monaco was just the top of the Dodge line.????
Don't over think that one.
The VIP was just the top of the line full sized Plymouth based on the Fury model line. It just has a different name plate for marketing position. (Fury IV?... I don't think so)
I would be wise to defer to the Imperial experts. Mr C's and Amazinginblue views are the one that I most commonly hear, and it also makes the most logic. There are several Imperial experts here and they should chime in also, if they would.
RE: VIP, damn you. Lol. Another pt. to consider, figure out, and try to handle that. < thinking... >.
My vote is to add VIP for 66-79 using the Chevyboi criteria. If you look at a car called Plymouth and it had only VIP emblems and you then refer to The Chart, it would not be a C-body. If someone saw a Dodge and it only had Moncao 500 emblems, by the Chart you would know it's a C-body because of the Monaco moniker.
I went through all the 66-68 lit and it's consistent with adding VIP.yeah, this looks like the way to go to me with the VIP, so what he said.
keeping in mind a plausible scenario where the smart but relatively uninformed person standing RIGHT NEXT TO ONE in the flesh, only seeing "Plymouth" and "VIP", and NO "Fury" name, how will they KNOW its a "C" if in doubt.. unless they check with "The Chart" and it informs them "dead on, no-sh*t" what they have there.;)
guess we'd have to be sure this VIP "badging" practice was consistent across the non 69 model years..not sure how to do that.