Pulley setup on a 440

[OKDart]

Oh boy, am I glad of this thread, i'm right at this stage with our 440 '68 Fury, what a nightmare, so many combos, I have loads of pulleys and swopping and changing has got me somewhere near.
That crap 2 piece p/s mounting bracket with the bit of rubber between them is now a prob, was that just fitted to a/c cars? because my RRunner has a much sturdier bracket than that 2 piece tin thing and wondered if it would fit (retrofit?) and ditch this one that has been welded together . Thanks, Olly

See my post #18 above for pump differences, it sounds like your RR has a Federal pump, and your Fury has the TRW. For you being across the pond, where it gets expensive shipping things back and forth, I'd make sure you get the part you need.

I'm sure you can find a better price on Ebay or even a want ad here.


TRW:
BPE POWER STEERING PUMP BRACKET - Bouchillon Performance Engineering
Federal:
BPE POWER STEERING PUMP BRACKET - Bouchillon Performance Engineering

There are so many pump/pulley combinations, pulley diameters and shaft diameters, brackets, etc. And not just shaft diameter, there are also press on, bolt on, keyed and non keyed, etc. I replaced a TRW pump with a Saginaw pump on a '68 440, and it came as a set (pump/pulley/bracket). Well the pulley was the correct diameter, but the V-belt width was incorrect. The belt rode too high on the pulley, it was a 15 width and I needed a 17 width. Luckily I had the right pulley in my hoarder stash that fit. If I was overseas and didn't have quick access to parts, I would've got frustrated very quickly.

 

[OKDart]

I got a solid bracket for the TRW pump off my non A/C parts car, and it bolted up to my A/C cars pump.

Probably like this one?:

 

[mag162]

Thanks for the help Guys

 

[saylor]

wew this is turning into a good thread.

yes the pulleys can swap 383 / 440, or A/C and non A/C - but the pulleys are all different sizes. like I wouldn't put a non A/C water pump pulley on, then try to run it via the A/C belt path. The A/C water pump pulley is way smaller than the non-A/C water pump pulley, for example.

When we mix up pulleys, we are changing drive ratios, and stuff needs to turn at certain speeds to work correctly.

I was concentrating on my ALT speed at idle. Powering fans, fuel pump, 1300W of radio, ipod chargers, lights, etc., was killing me at stop lights the car would go below 12v and shut down.

Alts (and everything else pulley driven have ratios!) run a 1.5:1 to a 3:1 drive ratio aprox, depending on what we are working with.
So if you are at idle ~750 rpm at the crank, your ALT is near 1200 - 1400 r.p.m. somewhere. most ALTS start to kick in about ~1100 r.p.m.

go too close to 3:1 and your ALT is going ~18,000 r.p.m. when your engine is doing 6000 rpm. ungood.

on the ALT mount: if you can preserve the water pump belt path, make a delete pulley and put the ALT back stock location using the stock A/C ALT bracket.

thats the quickest way IMO. as a guy that tried all kind of belt paths. I spent weeks engineering up the ALT location - moving it up/back on belt paths, hung it upside down, considered relocating it, coupled it to W/P, coupled it to P/S, tried to run it by itself on its own belt, etc., etc. After all that, its back in its stock location now...

or change the main crank pulley and go non A/C style for everything.

I was looking at v-belt pulleys off a lawnmower as a substitute to use on the A/C delete pulley I made. I figure something with sealed bearings and no wobble should do pretty well.

I need to make a few delete pulley kits - ive seen good interest in them

try not to die -

- saylor

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Or you could do the right thing and call Buchillion in South Carolina. Get the right brackets/pulleys and get a good Saginaw power steering pump.

 

[saylor]

Or you could do the right thing and call Buchillion in South Carolina. Get the right brackets/pulleys and get a good Saginaw power steering pump.

whats that part number on a buchilion A/C delete pulley?

did you even read OP?


whats the deal with people in this forum?

yall are enough to drive away people from this website.

and the people that expertly comment on STUFF THEY HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE THEMSELVES - that's sorta like cdc telling me I don't need a mask, but the doctors do.

g.t.f.o.

 

[LocuMob]

whats that part number on a buchilion A/C delete pulley?

BPE Water Pump Pulley - Bouchillon Performance Engineering

BPE Double-Groove Crankshaft Pulley - Bouchillon Performance Engineering

I don't have stock part numbers, but this will get you close. Just need the alternator bracket set and your set up.

whats the deal with people in this forum?

Just giving the option for a correct factory style setup. I'd rather have what's right for the accessories, than have extra pulleys to play with.

 

[LocuMob]

did you even read OP?

Anyway in taking a glance at it today in the yard I realize I’m gonna have to redo my pulleys.
Any advice as to what I’m gonna need?

The relevant part ^^^

No answer is any more correct than another. Stock versus modified, no need to get riled up because someone suggested mag162 go the factory route. It's always good to have multiple options to choose from, isn't it?

And you and I don't know what others have or haven't done, without knowing those people, or seeing their work first-hand. Not everyone posts all their doings on here.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

whats that part number on a buchilion A/C delete pulley?

did you even read OP?


whats the deal with people in this forum?

yall are enough to drive away people from this website.

and the people that expertly comment on STUFF THEY HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE THEMSELVES - that's sorta like cdc telling me I don't need a mask, but the doctors do.

g.t.f.o.

Let me google that

Or, mickey mouse the hell out of it and,ake a headache for the next person

 

[Kram Edyorloh]

Cheers folks, we are back on with it on Thurs, Im on the hunt for the good steel bracket now, we can get that sort of stuff over here....hopefully, LOL Thanks

 

[furyusvip]

whats the deal with people in this forum?

yall are enough to drive away people from this website.

and the people that expertly comment on STUFF THEY HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE THEMSELVES - that's sorta like cdc telling me I don't need a mask, but the doctors do.

g.t.f.o.

Yeah, I think I love you like a brother! I see blind replies that have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with what was originally posted. Ugh...

Unfortunately, I've been wrenching on Cbodies long before there was a 'real' support system (back before dialup internet connections) and I did a TON of stupid stuff (got most of the damaged parts to prove it) so, I only responded to questions that I have direct experience with OR posts that have received so many wrong and/or misleading responses.

The Cbody community used to be pretty solid. Of course, most of us weren't trying to build 'correct' cars or just purchasing them to flip either.

Le sigh...

 

[livininharrow]

nice looking wagon. looks like the ram van has a ****** up hitch.

 

[Kram Edyorloh]

I have found yet ANOTHER type today, its a steel good one ( 1 piece) but it will need altering, scolloping out on the back edge so it will swing into the engine a bit more. The 1/2 inch square hole for adjusting lines up with the correct hole on the top of the water pump housing.
Im bunking off work tomorrow (self employed) to have a go at this. Ill take pics tomorrow.
Both my pumps have the small recess in the back, Federal?, I must say though, one of them came off a Jensen Interceptor I cut up for the eng/box for the Fury but I have the original "L" code #'s matching 440 engine in good cond just needing a rebore
Cheers.