300-H HURST nerd stuff...

[fury fan]

@Fury Pursuit
It's easy to see the spoiler support on the car in the pic doesn't have the same shape as the part Trace shows, but how can you tell the tips are wrong?

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

@Fury Pursuit
It's easy to see the spoiler support on the car in the pic doesn't have the same shape as the part Trace shows, but how can you tell the tips are wrong?

When I posted the pic of the support, I just grabbed it from my photo stash and didn't study it at all....just ***-u-me-d it was the Trev item. It was probably the stryo block I remember seeing somewhere. I assume (again) that the third pic below has correct supports?

@Fury Pursuit
Trev, as for the tips, which of these would you consider correct, and why so vs. 6431 mile Hemi Challenger (that a friend of mine just sold for $340K, it was at Carlisle in 2021), shown at the bottom. Is it square-cut vs. baloney-cut? The Proto is kinda baloneyed.

Starting with the Prototyped?

Two?

Three?

Four?

 

[Fury Pursuit]

When I posted the pic of the support, I just grabbed it from my photo stash and didn't study it at all....just ***-u-me-d it was the Trev item. It was probably the stryo block I remember seeing somewhere. I assume (again) that the third pic below has correct supports?

@Fury Pursuit
Trev, as for the tips, which of these would you consider correct, and why so vs. 6431 mile Hemi Challenger (that a friend of mine just sold for $340K, it was at Carlisle in 2021), shown at the bottom. Is it square-cut vs. baloney-cut? The Proto is kinda baloneyed.

Starting with the Prototyped?
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Two?
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Three?
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Four?
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Unfortunately Trace, none of the tips are “correct” except for the “prototype 300-H”.

The 300-H/Hurst package DID NOT CONSIST of exhaust tips.

If a Hurst did get them it would be on the Broadcast Sheet, but none are because exhaust tips are not in the 500 + individual “Hurst Parts List” that make up the 300-H package.

Sorry, but no 300-H came with them. And or, I’ve never seen a Broadcast Sheet calling them out. I’ve heard plenty of stories, but never any documentation.

Now, for what “looks correct”?! That would be 1970 Sport Fury GT tips, which would work with existing hangers, or 1970 Challenger tips which have the correct angle or “cut”.

Here’s what you are after, even though no Hursts had them.

 

[MJFUR]

Original Advertising with tips. (I have not read all seven pages if already discussed.)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/f0/33/baf03308652add628ced97eb0fa43da3.jpg

 

[Fury Pursuit]

Original Advertising with tips. (I have not read all seven pages if already discussed.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/f0/33/baf03308652add628ced97eb0fa43da3.jpg

Yep! The only car that had them.

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

Unfortunately Trace, none of the tips are “correct” except for the “prototype 300-H”. The 300-H/Hurst package DID NOT CONSIST of exhaust tips.

Wow, Trevor, great write-up! Clearly everyone over the past 50 years thought it was an option, including some magazine articles from the 70/80's, and that's why I thought it was, too. I guess those promo pics, plus the Sport Fury tips made for a "monkey see" situation and the result was quad tips where they shouldn't have been at all. Fascinating. We fooled ourselves into thinking they were there!

The second owner put the dorkiest tips imaginable on my car (and they friggin' whistled at WOT), but I quickly converted to the under-bumper baloney tips.

As bought:

Now:

 

[Fury Pursuit]

Wow, Trevor, great write-up! Clearly everyone over the past 50 years thought it was an option, including some magazine articles from the 70/80's, and that's why thought it was, too. I guess those promo pics, plus the Sport Fury tips made for a "monkey see" situation and the result was quad tips where they shouldn't have been at all. Fascinating. We fooled ourselves into thinking they were there!

The second owner put the dorkiest tips imaginable on my car (and they friggin' whistledat WOT), but I quickly converted to the under-bumper baloney tips.

As bought:
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Now:
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Early on in my Hurst exposure, I thought they were part of the package or at least an option.

But unfortunately they were not part of the hurst package.


BUT…I do see it possible and likely that someone while looking at a 300-H in the dealership, and then looking at the promotional literature, saw the tips and told the dealer to “put them on my car” as part of the sale or after the fact.

I did meet a gentleman that did just that in 1973 with his Hurst at a Chrysler dealership.

I personally like the tips and would run them on my car, but they were really exclusively for the 1970 Sport Fury GT and that’s it.

Trace, look for some NOS 1970 Challenger tips on eBay. There are usually always two NOS sets for sale.

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

BUT…I do see it possible and likely that someone while looking at a 300-H in the dealership, and then looking at the promotional literature, saw the tips and told the dealer to “put them on my car” as part of the sale or after the fact.

I did meet a gentleman that did just that in 1973 with his Hurst at a Chrysler dealership.

I would venture to say that the gentleman you met was Patient Zero in 1973 and the rest is "incorrect history". Fake news! I love it!

I don't think the 300s are a proper candidate for the tips. It's a giant lux car, not a Charger or Challenger or Cuda. I'm a fan of the demure downturn such that you can HEAR the burble but you can't see it. Dignified!

 

[Northcoast300h]

Vid is 6yrs old but I didn't see it in this thread. As Trace said earlier, the wheels are not Hursts and were added later.

 

[Northcoast300h]

Wondering if someone can tell me where these 6 way power seats came from? Stamp states FT6, but build sheet has "Imp Special Int" written on build sheet. Build sheet paper is rotted out where interior code is. I bought my car from a NJ junkyard. The door skins were same valor but was like ripped spaghetti, so I painted black vinyl skins. From what you guys said on here, Car is an authentic 300 Hurst. My build date is 3/70, has CM23, 125, EW1, other stuff. My VIN starts out at 194 something, (I forgot and too lazy to go outside and get it).

Even with the seat foam deteriorated, these seats are extremely comfortable. The valor is very soft and feels great when I'm naked. Thanks for any help.

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

looking at production time of the Hurst:

What are the highest known VINs (sequence numbers) known to exist ?

Carsten

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

This is from my data on 27 cars. It's not the Bible, but it's what I've collected in person and from the web.

Have fun comparing the sequential VINs to the erratic JONs. Or vice-versa, perhaps?

VIN Door Date Notes VON

129521 ?? 9/24 on Fender Tag. Prototype sunroof car. Q06850 [Q info corrected by plumcrazy 4/2/2024]

196833 March Very early build. “Rickshaw” junker, Mankato MN ??

196653 ?? Hard to make out VON in photo. J99125...or 6 or 8?

196859 ?? J99502

196864 ?? J99507

196865 June Inspected by Trace @Mecum Indy 2023 J99508 [corrected 4/2/2024]

199986 ?? 69CoronetRT info. J99528

200005 ?? ??

203166 ?? J99547

203193 ?? Mecum 2023. NASCAR driver. No fender tag, $44K ??

204124 April J99565

207568 April ??

211514 ?? David Hill’s erroneous Hurst Build Sheet ??

211518 ?? Davie FL, For Sale J99653

215671 ?? In Sweden. Owned by Mr. Ove Niva ??

217854 ?? Car in Germany. Tilt, AirTemp, Console, Locks, Antenna. J99705

217858 ?? J99709

219243 ?? This car was sold at BJ. J99891

219245 ?? J99800

222833 ?? ??

220584 May ??

220609 ?? Got this from a car For Sale ad, nothing else J99816

226179 May Kissimmee 2019 inspected by Trace J99927

226726 ?? This is Trace's car. J99786 Has repro January door sticker for the 125 Fender Tag date, required by ECS and Chrysler agreement. See below.

228755 June David Hill's actual car. J99798

230908 June $65K BaT car, Jan 2023. CBod owner RonW J99842

232866 June For sale by CountryClassics in Iowa J99945

Here's my sticker, just for historical reference going forward. The car was NOT made in January 1970, but sometime in late May or early June. The 125 Fender Tag date that ALL Hursts have is what the repro folks MUST use for these Chrysler-approved door build date stickers. No guesswork allowed, and if you don't have a Fender Tag, you can't get a repro sticker. Dem's da rules.

And here is my fender tag with the 125 date.

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

232859 and 232866 are the two highest VINs I currently have pictures of, too.
Looking at their VONs they were made in the same batch (j99938 and j99945).

Sequence number 2328xx should have a genuine SPD of around 505/506.
Then sent to Hurst and probably finished 6 or 7/70.

Carsten

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

This is from my data on 27 cars. It's not the Bible, but it's what I've collected in person and from the web.

Have fun comparing the sequential VINs to the erratic JONs. Or vice-versa, perhaps?

VIN Door Date Notes VON

129521 ?? 9/24 on Fender Tag. Prototype sunroof car. Q06850 Notice the Q for a 300, not the J for all production Hursts.

I don't want to mix up this thread but the "Q" in the VON does not mean it was a regular 300. A "Q" can be a Y28 public relations car or a Y22 Chrysler Lease car/Executive car

Carsten

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

Here's my sticker, just for historical reference going forward. The car was NOT made in January 1970, but sometime in late May or early June. The 125 Fender Tag date that ALL Hursts have is what the repro folks MUST use for these Chrysler-approved door build date stickers. No guesswork allowed, and if you don't have a Fender Tag, you can't get a repro sticker. Dem's da rules.
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VIN 0C226726 should have a SPD of roughly 422 (when it rolled down Jefferson assembly lane). Its built was probably finalised may/june. So the original door sticker should read 5 or 6/70.
Even though all Hurst fender tags say SPD 125 the original doorsticker would show the actual month of production.

Carsten

 

[Hap]

Mine is 196872 and has a March sticker on the door .

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

I don't want to mix up this thread but the "Q" in the VON does not mean it was a regular 300. A "Q" can be a Y28 public relations car or a Y22 Chrysler Lease car/Executive car

Carsten

Yeah, when I wrote that late last night I was intending to point out that the prototype was not part of the Hurst production run. Your correction nicely adds to that info, thanks.

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

VIN 0C226726 should have a SPD of roughly 422 (when it rolled down Jefferson assembly lane). Its built was probably finalised may/june. So the original door sticker should read 5 or 6/70.
Even though all Hurst fender tags say SPD 125 the original doorsticker would show the actual month of production.

Carsten

Ahhh, this is an important distinction, and yeah, a 4/22 SPD could easily have a May sticker once the paint is dry and the car is finished, etc. But we agree that the sticker date has nothing to do when it rolled out of the Hurst facility, yes?

And again, when I got my car the sticker was gone because of a repaint, but its imprint remained. This is the info ECS required to make a repro, thus my erroneous January date:

This Decal is vehicle specific, which means we require the following information to make it:

1. Vehicle Documentation (Image of Something with VIN # on it) In my case a copy of the Title.
2. Build Month & Year (ex: 10-69) In my case a pic of the Fender Tag with 125.
3. VIN Number In my case a pic of the dash VIN.

Jeeze, what a bunch of nerds we are!

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

This series of posts will add to my Hurst ledger, the creation of which has been encouraged by @ayilar. He and I had talked about how to host this ledger, maybe here on CBod, so that any Hurst owner-nerd could add his info.

Any thoughts?

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

Ahhh, this is an important distinction, and yeah, a 4/22 SPD could easily have a May sticker once the paint is dry and the car is finished, etc. But we agree that the sticker date has nothing to do when it rolled out of the Hurst facility, yes?

difficult to answer.

The car was probably buillt at Jefferson plant around 422.
Average cars would have been finished the same day, getting a doorsticker 4/70.
Again not always matching the SPD but the actual month being buillt. There is usally no big time gap.

After assembly the regular looking the 300s got shipped to Hurst to make the conversion.
According to this article they returned for quality control:

"These were built at Chrysler's Jefferson Avenue plant in Detroit, then shipped to Hurst's facility in Brighton, Michigan, for upgraded equipment, before being sent back to Detroit for final QC"
https://www.motortrend.com/features/1970-chrysler-300-hust-edition-mecum-auctions/

the door stickers on the 300 Hursts have a huge time gap to the guessed genuine SPDs looking at the sequence number.
Therefore I would guess that the doorstickers got maybe installed after they returned from Hurst and got the quality control check.
Being "officially" finished/built at that time.

Carsten