Factory 4-Speed-C-Body-Photo-Thread

[Dick Landy]

I think near everybody knows this 426ci 4-speed. It was offered for sale for years for $20k. Last year it runs through ebay.com with a reserve of only $10k, but no deal. Bids ended at $9.7k

 

[Dick Landy]

Is there anybody out who can tell me the reason why the 1965 Monaco and my or a 1965 Sport Fury Hurst-Shifters are different:

my Sport Fury:

the Monaco:

1965 Chrysler 300:

This shifter looks longer than the other ones with the straight end OMG

1965 Polara:

another 1965 Monaco with 426ci:

This 1965 without console has a similar shape:

 

[fury fan]

As far as I know AC was allowed in all 4-speed C's regardless of engine size through 1966 and was no longer allowed starting in 1967 with the 440HP only. There is a local 440 1966 Sport Fury rag so equipped (J-code) which underwent a total no-cost barred resto. For whatever reason they continued to allow AC with the smaller engine 4-speed models including B-bodies. I followed the black VIP for years since it was such a freak. The story was that it was originally ordered by a higher up Chrysler exec who would not accept no for an answer. It is highly likely a one and only.

That's the sort of info I'm glad to see, thanks! It makes sense, and we can stand on that until somethign more conclusive comes along.
The rule of 'no Mopars with 4-speed could have AC' has been disproven by these several cars, as they are believed to be factory 4-speeds.

So it would seem the rule is, to be most specific, that you couldn't get AC with 4-speed and the 268°/284° Magnum/TNT/SuperCommando camshaft of 67+.
To my understanding the C-body never got that camshaft in the 383hp at all (it got the 330hp camshaft instead) and B&E bodies got the 330hp camshaft IF they had AC (correct me if I'm wrong).
Tony Puig's black '68 VIP is an outlier as it seemingly was specially requested/permitted against the rule.

 

[fury fan]

I thought it was already posted here, but it wasn't, I was seeing it in this other thread from a few weeks ago.
This car has popped up in different times/places, and likely most of us on this thread have seen it - the silver dual-quad L. (perhaps we should nickname some of these cars for reference?)

NOT MINE - Not Mine: 1965 Chrysler 300 L 4-speed

1965 Chrysler 300L 2Dr Coupe

Factory 4-speed / 1 of 108 made / 1 of 88 with A/C
413ci 390hp Dual Quad car / Dealer Installed
Engine Completely Rebuilt very recently / see photos
Beautiful New Paint in Factory Original Silver Mist (NN1)
Power Steering, Power Brakes, Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Power Drivers Seat, Center Console with Factory Tach, New Redline Tires & more...
One Owner Since 1979 (FWIW, @Fury Pursuit knows the car well enough to say this is untrue)
Complete with Receipts & Ownership History
$57,500 US

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/chrysler/300/2627935.html

 

[fury fan]

In my 25-ish years of watching these, I would say that the Monaco has the bench-seat shifter handle for some reason.

Over the years I have noticed inconsistency for which console top the cars got - most Furys have the ribbed top, but yours and mine have the flat top.
In Chrysler 300, the silver dual-quad L has the flat top, while the burg standard 300 with 383 and Road Wheels has a ribbed top.
But I don't recall seeing the curved handle in any other console cars.

(the one above with the 'long' handle - I think that's just the photo making it look that way)

And presumably all that ties back to this thread you started (I'm posting for convenient summary):
Factory shifter for 1965 non console 4-speed cars

Is there anybody out who can tell me the reason why the 1965 Monaco and my or a 1965 Sport Fury Hurst-Shifters are different:

my Sport Fury:


the Monaco:
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[fury fan]

And now that I've said that, I found another exception:
For Sale - Auction, 65 300L w/4 Spd Man. trans
Although there is some discussion that this car has signs of 'tampering' and may not be 100% correct?

And owner of the Monaco with the bench-shifter-in-console said his car is very early production - so maybe that's the explanation?
For Sale - Auction, 65 300L w/4 Spd Man. trans

 

[Dick Landy]

let's watch it

 

[Dick Landy]

More stuff:

1966 found in the internet:

1965, too:

 

[Dick Landy]

And here's one sold by @hergfest in March 2021, he said it went to a local collector (Washington state, then, I presume).
Due to the provenance and low mileage (67k, formerly owned by Don Rook, a noted car collector), this one likely carries its original console top.
Although I'm not yet convinced that the question of which cars got ribbed top plates vs the veneered is yet answered.



SOLD - 1965 Chrysler 300L Factory 4 Speed for Sale

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..and here the original invoice of the 300:

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

AC.

Just for fun - another "ghost option" would be a manual trans and Autopilot car. There was a 66 300 4 spd car where the owner installed an Autopilot system, but it was never offered by the factory. It was in one of the magazines about 15 years ago.

Further to that ghost option - as stated by the original owner of my 66 Monaco 440 4 speed car (special ordered in Calgary Alberta with a 426 Hemi, but never so installed - most of you know the story), he DID order the car with 4 speed and Autopilot along with AC and Sentinel, but since the factory didn't have the Autopilot option available with any manual trans cars, the Autopilot parts were delivered in the trunk for "dealer installation" along with the other options like the Search Tuner radio and reverb (which was dealer installed), Sentinel and Chrysler power antenna/map light switch (car was ordered radio delete specifically to get the Search Tuner). The Autopilot installation challenge was figuring out how to deal with the engage/interrupt switch circuit (found on the brake pedal) and putting one on the clutch pedal. He had planned to do all that and more, but with a new baby on the way and other challenges, life got in the way and those options never got installed. He wound up having to sell the car less than a year after he bought it.

Since I am restoring the car, I wanted to do it the way he wanted it (not with the Hemi though), and I have since figured out how to mount a reverse operating interupt switch on the clutch pedal. I used a momentary switch - so when the clutch pedal arm is up, it presses the switch and keeps the circuit closed, and when the pedal is depressed and the arm leaves the switch, the circuit is opened - worked perfectly on the bench! With the success of that mod, I will be installing Autopilot in the car, along with the Sentinel parts. That was a whole other project - I've studied the Chrysler dash harness, and figured out and modified a secondary Fury/Canadian Monaco dash harness to be able to use the Sentinel, so that will be fun. I can understand why that never got installed - what a job that was figuring that out! Many of the Sentinel parts came NOS from the original owner once we connected - he'd kept them all these years, and so I got them when we connected (another great part to the car's story). He was unable to find the Autopilot dash parts though, but fortunately I was able to find them from various people - super rare for Canadian Dodge Polara/Monaco and Plymouth Fury.

He also ordered the car with AC, but it was never installed due to it being a 440 HP engine (and originally ordered with 426 Hemi, but not fulfulled - that's part of the car's interesting story) - now we know from above posts that AC/4 speed might have been possible if the car was a 383, but it wasn't. So no AC dash. Parts were delivered in the trunk apparently, to facilitate an underdash knee-knocker AC box, but all those part were long gone. I've sourced a 66 Fury AC dash (I'm keeping the original dash in storage), and will be installing that in the car with an aftermarket AC setup hidden up under the dash, using the factory dash vents and Non-AC controls. Again, a lot of planning and research, but all do-able, so I will be restoring the car to what the original owner ordered and hoped to get - all except the Hemi.

You can see that the Chrysler Search Tuner and power antenna/map light switch were installed - the radio holes were simply cut through the radio delete plate with a hole saw, and a similar hole was cut in the dash for the antenna/map light switch:

 

[fury fan]

Stumbled across this thread for owners of cars, and it seems that every car in that thread is also in this one.
But - doesn't mean that an owner of one in this thread is in the 'owners' thread, though.
FCBO Four Speed Owners Registry

So - if you're here but not there, get 'registered'!

 

[fury fan]

And stumbled across another car a few minutes ago, by chance.
4-speed Cs are everywhere when you're NOT looking for them!

Car is owned by @haywire 440. Is a former Don Rook car. This one has the veneered console top plate.

Cat’s Out Of The Bag, ‘65 300L Manual Trans, A/C and More

 

[fury fan]

Most of the ones I've posted have been ones that pop into my brain, or that are linked into 'similiar threads' at the bottom of the page.
I've saved a few new-to-me cars from here to my hard drive - but I haven't really pulled from my harddrive yet.

The red-with-Welds and the primer-flame are both cars I recognize, so I'm not remembering all the cars I've saved to my HD over the years, and I'm guesstimating there are maybe 20 cars I would still have for posting. There are a few members cars I popping to my head, too.

It's gonna take awhile...

 

[fury fan]

Earlier when I posted this VIP I was thinking of its 300 cousin in a similar photo.

 

[Dick Landy]

Further to that ghost option - as stated by the original owner of my 66 Monaco 440 4 speed car (special ordered in Calgary Alberta with a 426 Hemi, but never so installed - most of you know the story), he DID order the car with 4 speed and Autopilot along with AC and Sentinel, but since the factory didn't have the Autopilot option available with any manual trans cars, the Autopilot parts were delivered in the trunk for "dealer installation" along with the other options like the Search Tuner radio and reverb (which was dealer installed), Sentinel and Chrysler power antenna/map light switch (car was ordered radio delete specifically to get the Search Tuner). The Autopilot installation challenge was figuring out how to deal with the engage/interrupt switch circuit (found on the brake pedal) and putting one on the clutch pedal. He had planned to do all that and more, but with a new baby on the way and other challenges, life got in the way and those options never got installed. He wound up having to sell the car less than a year after he bought it.

Since I am restoring the car, I wanted to do it the way he wanted it (not with the Hemi though), and I have since figured out how to mount a reverse operating interupt switch on the clutch pedal. I used a momentary switch - so when the clutch pedal arm is up, it presses the switch and keeps the circuit closed, and when the pedal is depressed and the arm leaves the switch, the circuit is opened - worked perfectly on the bench! With the success of that mod, I will be installing Autopilot in the car, along with the Sentinel parts. That was a whole other project - I've studied the Chrysler dash harness, and figured out and modified a secondary Fury/Canadian Monaco dash harness to be able to use the Sentinel, so that will be fun. I can understand why that never got installed - what a job that was figuring that out! Many of the Sentinel parts came NOS from the original owner once we connected - he'd kept them all these years, and so I got them when we connected (another great part to the car's story). He was unable to find the Autopilot dash parts though, but fortunately I was able to find them from various people - super rare for Canadian Dodge Polara/Monaco and Plymouth Fury.

He also ordered the car with AC, but it was never installed due to it being a 440 HP engine (and originally ordered with 426 Hemi, but not fulfulled - that's part of the car's interesting story) - now we know from above posts that AC/4 speed might have been possible if the car was a 383, but it wasn't. So no AC dash. Parts were delivered in the trunk apparently, to facilitate an underdash knee-knocker AC box, but all those part were long gone. I've sourced a 66 Fury AC dash (I'm keeping the original dash in storage), and will be installing that in the car with an aftermarket AC setup hidden up under the dash, using the factory dash vents and Non-AC controls. Again, a lot of planning and research, but all do-able, so I will be restoring the car to what the original owner ordered and hoped to get - all except the Hemi.

You can see that the Chrysler Search Tuner and power antenna/map light switch were installed - the radio holes were simply cut through the radio delete plate with a hole saw, and a similar hole was cut in the dash for the antenna/map light switch:

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Hello Ross, is there a chance to read the whole story about the car and to see a window-sticker, original invoice or build sheet of your Monaco?

 

[D Cluley]

@Ross Wooldridge
Ross,
At this point, I'm actually a little surprised you're not planning to put a hemi in it.

 

[Dick Landy]

Found on Facebook:

 

[Dick Landy]

1965 Monaco 426ci 4-Speed

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

Hello Ross, is there a chance to read the whole story about the car and to see a window-sticker, original invoice or build sheet of your Monaco?

The story has been written in several threads - I will try to find the links, and in the meantime I will officially put the car's story into the registry thread.
@D Cluley - Dan, I considered it, but truth be known the original owner was so blown away with the RCMP issue 440 (after getting over his disappointment that the Hemi was not installed) that he was glad he never got one. That's what makes this car his dream car (as he put it). His words, "I changed my underwear and took delivery of the car."

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

@Dick Landy
For Sale - 1965 Dodge Monaco 426 Wedge 4-Speed
For Sale - 1971 Sport Fury $ 35,000
What Makes a Police Fury a Pursuit Car?

Look for my posts in those threads, and you'll see essentially the car's whole story in a nutshell... there are more bits and pieces though. I will try to cover all that in the upcoming post in the registry.