Carona
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Lets Play A Game: Last Of The Convertibles
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high impact color too ! but body tag says its a regular T code 440, not an orange TNT U code
Thank you. Tag originally posted in 2021, but your pic has better contrast.
Carona
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Weird, I did a VIN search before I posted and it didn't come up.
Search results for query: CM27T0C235764
Regardless: thank you for posting — better safe with a repost than sorry without any post!
Regardless: thank you for posting — better safe with a repost than sorry without any post!
SportFury70
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Currently for sale in Buffalo NY for $1,200. Unfortunately no fender tag photos at this moment......
NOT MINE - Burgundy 1970 Fury III 'Vert In Buffalo NY On FB, $1,200
NOT MINE - Burgundy 1970 Fury III 'Vert In Buffalo NY On FB, $1,200
VIN tag for PM27N0D106955 -- a formerly FK3 but now bright blue metallic (not quite B5, but close) N-code Fury iii 'vert that is now for sale in Mt. Vernon, IN.
The original orange paint is visible to the left of the VIN tag. The fender tag was posted here -- thanks to @70 Sport Suburban and @fury fan
The original orange paint is visible to the left of the VIN tag. The fender tag was posted here -- thanks to @70 Sport Suburban and @fury fan
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fury fan
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@ayilar I know you like details to align, so... Current dealer is at 312 College Ave Mt. Vernon, IN 47620
The original orange paint can *really* be seen when the top is down, in the pocket where the roof folds up.
Why nobody has gotten a spray-bomb in there and fogged it flat black is a mystery to me.
The original orange paint can *really* be seen when the top is down, in the pocket where the roof folds up.
Why nobody has gotten a spray-bomb in there and fogged it flat black is a mystery to me.
Thank you, I fixed my post above.
Carona
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Was so excited when I found this near pristine build sheet behind my rear seat back until I realized it wasn't for my car. CM27T0C211472 FT6 Deep Bronze Metallic with black and white interior and white top. My car is CM27T0C201238 so not close on assembly line. A previous owner of mine must have had to replace seat back at some point.
We probably can assume that CM27T0C211472 has met her demise, if CM27T0C201238 now has her seat (Edit: or, see below for Doug's alternative explanation)
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69CoronetRT
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There's a misconception that VIN numbers equate to the relative distance between when two cars were built. A better comparison is numbers on broadcast sheets. (reason # 1,274 WHY saving all possible documentation is so important). VINs are administrative only and not related to production sequence.
Given the sheet was found in you car, it's possible (likely probable) they were on the line the same day and the seat is not a replacement.
Barry Washington has a good description of this concept on the current Hamtramck Historical site.
Carona
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Carona
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How did Barry determine that the SPDs were only 7 days apart and that they were 10 away from each other on the line? Does that info show up somewhere on the build sheet that I found?
So your car is scheduled to be built March 3rd where as the build sheet that came out of your seat was scheduled to be built March 24th.
Very different VON's.
the build sheet being C14222
Your VON being 215783
I would say that the build sheet deserves to be photo copied, sleeved in non acidic clear envelope and installed in the other seats in your car for the further records.
Cool find. I wonder what else can be learned from the two.
Very different VON's.
the build sheet being C14222
Your VON being 215783
I would say that the build sheet deserves to be photo copied, sleeved in non acidic clear envelope and installed in the other seats in your car for the further records.
Cool find. I wonder what else can be learned from the two.
69CoronetRT
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By comparing the three data points on the two sheets. Both sheets list an SPD, a VIN and a sequence number in the first box on the top line.
As with fender tags, different plants handled the sequential numbering of broadcast sheets differently. My area of interest is the St. Louis plant but if I recall correctly, the Hamtramck plant numbered sheets using consecutive sequential numbers. Barry compared this sequence number to determine the number of units apart. I’ve not looked into sheets from the Jefferson plant in detail but I think Jefferson used the same method. This method provides a much more reliable relative build sequence comparison than anything else. Remember, plants handled sheets differently. What happened at Hamtramck didn't happen at St. Louis and both may have been different than Newark.
Let’s try this example. Car A has a Scheduled Production Date of March 1 And a VIN of 200000. Car B has a Scheduled Production Date of March 11 and a VIN of 210000. They are 10 days apart and 10,000 apart in VIN number.
If one, erroneously, uses the VINs as a comparison of relative build, it appears that the cars were separated by 10,000 production units and 10 calendar days. Thus method assumes a consecutive continuous production flow but we know cars were built before and after the SPD and out of VIN order. We know this by comparing invoices, shipping info and other documents as well as the dated door stickers that came about circa 1972 model year and later.
Car A was ordered by a dealership with a known record of slow payment and is 'on notice' from Chrysler that payment upfront is needed before construction of any cars will begin. The construction of that car was delayed one week, seven days, while Chrysler waited for payment before they would start building the car. If we use the March 1 SPD date as an actual date that construction should have commenced, this now puts the actual start date of car A on March 8th.
All of the components for car B are on site. It's paid for and a customer is waiting. A shipment of model specific sheet metal does not arrive at the plant due to a winter storm leaving a gap in production that leads the plant powers to be to say "We don’t need to wait until the 11th to start this car. We’re ready to build it on the 8th. Let's get started." This means assembly begins on the 8th, three days before the SPD as well the same day as Car A.
Before production starts on the 8th, broadcast sheets are printed at various stations for that day’s actual work flow. The SPDs (301 and 311) and VINs (200000 and 210000) of the two cars are printed on the sheets as they were originally assigned well as the timely (printed on the 8th) and accurate sequence of numbers (say sheets 208001 and 208002) in the top left box.
Both cars are “on the line” the same day; the 8th. The are sequenced one car apart. Both go through the trim shop the same day. Both cars have the same P6X interior. Line worker Bob grabs the back seat destined for car B, along with a copy of the BS for car B and installs it into car A. (Remember, they have the same interior. Bob does not need to check the sheet against the VIN because all that matters is Bob puts the correct back seat for a P6X interior in a car. It's not a requirement that Bob puts one specific seat in one specific car.)
Fifty years later, I find the sheet for car B in my car A. If I compare only the SPD (ten days apart) and VIN on a broadcast sheet to my car’s Fender tag (10,000 units apart), and not the sequential number of the BS, what might I, erroneously, conclude?
This is how wrong sheets wind up in different cars. Cars were not built in VIN order. This is why VINs and SPDs are, virtually, useless in determining accurate construction sequence. VINs are unrelated to construction They are administrative. The DMV cares about the VIN. The people that built your car, probably, didn't. VINs serve a different purpose than assembly order. This is also why every scrap of documentation is important in learning how things were actually done at the plant. Save sheets, save window stickers, save fender tags.
ceebuddy
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Thank you for this great explanation!
Is it correct to assume that production planning's first and foremost priority was to keep the assembly line moving and producing cars at a constant rate?
Is it correct to assume that production planning's first and foremost priority was to keep the assembly line moving and producing cars at a constant rate?
69CoronetRT
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Any factory wants to operate as efficiently as possible.
Thank you @lemondana we can add a rare U-code 300 ‘vert to the list of survivors
CM27U0C125443 is a nicely optioned EB7 ‘vert!
CM27U0C125443 is a nicely optioned EB7 ‘vert!
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