The People Have Spoken...

well he named his kids to his transition team, like nepotism. Some of his nominees; Mnchine at Goldman Sachs for treasure, helped bring us the financial disaster, let's let the Fox run the chicken coop. Gingrich whom made the word compromise a dirty way to run the government as speaker.Oh can some one explain to me how he will make America Great Agai, what are his policies to do this, throw the undocumented out, why not legalize and capture those tax dollars, wasn't Obamas nick name deported and chief. How is he going to bring jobs back? and get companies to revert their off shore profits back. Never mind his insiders BS and the way he and Kelly Ann disregard the truth, he won the award from the fact checkers as least factual. He won the electoral college not the popular vote Clinton won the popular by at leat 2 million
 
Oh my goodness. Such hate! And such vitriol. :wideyed:

The same way I felt 4 and 8 years ago...
As Gary often puts it... Karma.
You bleed Middle America so bad that a hostile reactionary revolt is shocking?? I predicted this 4 years ago. Go search my posts. The Bolshevik uprising. The French Revolution. Same thing. F### the WORKING CLASS long enough by redistributing their hard earned money upwards to make the rich richer, and downwards to the poor so as to buy their votes to stay in power, you will eventually cause a revolt from the WORKING MIDDLE CLASS.

You feed me bullshit from the day I was born that if I do this and don't do that, think this way and don't think that way, act like this and don't act like that, be this type of person and not that type of person, and I will be rewarded with a good life called the American Dream. Then you say, 'Sorry, you are no longer entitled to it because other people who did not live that creed are entitled to it too?? WTF?? So this contract we had was a bunch of boolchit all along? No sir. I'm not taking this lying down. You've F####D me long enough.

If there's going to be collateral damage, I'm sorry your feelings are hurt. But in all honesty, go screw yourself. I will never recoup what you took away from me after I did The Right Thing and earned what I was due. You can't suffer enough now as far as I am concerned. You lied to me. Ironic that a rich white guy became my voice but I'll take what I can get at this very late stage of my life.


And that's all the news from Lake Wobegon.
F###!!! Even The Prairie Home Companion no longer exists. :(
 
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Great....... Now we have a inexperienced, narcissistic, serial liar and racist for president, instead of just a liar. Who would have thought.....? I hope no one here thinks their one of the 1% who will benefit.

I'm scared now and am looking for a hole to crawl into
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Hold it! I thought Hillary lost? :confused:
 
I am hoping that Trump will bring the needed change that you folks believe he will, but his initial appointments don't bode well at all. There is no doubt that many if not most are fed up with the establishment, and some more than others(!) apparently. Zach has its right, no one I know was an avid suporter of Hillary, but they were opposed to Trump and showed it since he lost the popular vote.

Say what you will, but if Trump were brilliant, had good judgment and sincere, he would latch on to this guy for his willingness to deal with the problems that Stan has clearly stated. With this guy, there is no question who he wants to serve and who he wants to bust, and he is fully trustworthy - the only one. But we missed that opportunity. None of what he was proposing was typical Socialist (or Communist either), but rather it was a mislabeled effort by his adversaries in the Democratic and Republican parties to make sure he would fail. And my concern with him was even if he could win, would he have the clout needed to bring the change he wanted? But with Trump actually winning, I believe he could be very effective if Trump were to embrace his offer. No other move Trump could make would solidify his long term success like this one. And this guy knows how the political system works, says things straight and has fire in his belly (give it a few seconds to load and get past the damn short ad - the last part of his statement is the best and most revealing):

Bernie Sanders 'deeply humiliated' Dems lost working-class voters - CNNPolitics.com
 
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Franklin Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin were making deals. Roosevelt even went as far as to refer to Stalin as "my dear Uncle Joe". I don't necessarily see improving relations with Russia a bad thing. If Trump could manage to get us out of all these middle east conflicts, Syria in particular, that Hillary was instrumental in getting us into would be a good thing. We need to back off and let the Russians use their resources in fighting Isis in Syria. Whether or not Trump keeps his promises still remains to bee seen. At this point I am extremely skeptical of what this new administration is going to bring. Politicians are notorious for making promises just to get elected and not following up on them.

You know Bush W made the same remark. I looked him in the eye and saw they we could deal. He was wrong. FDR thought he made deals with Russia. He wasn't around later when Stalin ran all over those Eastern countries to see that his deal wasn't a deal. We had an airbase here in the States where flights to Russia would take off supposedly bringing needed supplies. An interview with someone on the base highlighted the fact that the Russians were bring on stuff that was clearly stolen, via espionage, and shipping it back. He was told not to stop anything and just ignore. Have to look up where the base was. Nonetheless, that was one hell of a deal wasn't it.
 
Oh my goodness. Such hate! And such vitriol. :wideyed:

The same way I felt 4 and 8 years ago...
As Gary often puts it... Karma.
You bleed Middle America so bad that a hostile reactionary revolt is shocking?? I predicted this 4 years ago. Go search my posts. The Bolshevik uprising. The French Revolution. Same thing. F### the WORKING CLASS long enough by redistributing their hard earned money upwards to make the rich richer, and downwards to the poor so as to buy their votes to stay in power, you will eventually cause a revolt from the WORKING MIDDLE CLASS.

You feed me bullshit from the day I was born that if I do this and don't do that, think this way and don't think that way, act like this and don't act like that, be this type of person and not that type of person, and I will be rewarded with a good life called the American Dream. Then you say, 'Sorry, you are no longer entitled to it because other people who did not live that creed are entitled to it too?? WTF?? So this contract we had was a bunch of boolchit all along? No sir. I'm not taking this lying down. You've F####D me long enough.

If there's going to be collateral damage, I'm sorry your feelings are hurt. But in all honesty, go screw yourself. I will never recoup what you took away from me after I did The Right Thing and earned what I was due. You can't suffer enough now as far as I am concerned. You lied to me. Ironic that a rich white guy became my voice but I'll take what I can get at this very late stage of my life.


And that's all the news from Lake Wobegon.
F###!!! Even The Prairie Home Companion no longer exists. :(



:thankyou: ......... :thumbsup:
 
You know Bush W made the same remark. I looked him in the eye and saw they we could deal. He was wrong. FDR thought he made deals with Russia. He wasn't around later when Stalin ran all over those Eastern countries to see that his deal wasn't a deal. We had an airbase here in the States where flights to Russia would take off supposedly bringing needed supplies. An interview with someone on the base highlighted the fact that the Russians were bring on stuff that was clearly stolen, via espionage, and shipping it back. He was told not to stop anything and just ignore. Have to look up where the base was. Nonetheless, that was one hell of a deal wasn't it.
Without the help of Stalin we would have never defeated Hitler. The Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe after WW2 was the price we had to pay to stop the evilest dictator who ever lived. Unlike Stalin, Putin so far as I can tell hasn't conducted any purges or starved millions of his own people to death. Russia still has a nuclear arsenal and has the capability to deliver a devastating blow to the United States if it choses to. I think using diplomacy should be a first option before we decide to charge headlong into battle against Russia.
 
Great....... Now we have a inexperienced, narcissistic, serial liar and racist for president, instead of just a liar. Who would have thought.....?

That is not what the wikileaks files proves... and it comes from democrats...
And talk about being inexperienced, talk about hillary, she was not even elected that the muslim brotherhood and all islamic kingdoms had her under control like a puppet.
 
Great....... Now we have a inexperienced, narcissistic, serial liar and racist for president, instead of just a liar. Who would have thought.....? I hope no one here thinks their one of the 1% who will benefit.

I'm scared now and am looking for a hole to crawl into
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Well I was going to talk about my personal experiences with the same media who has convinced at least some segment of the population that the above is true. But if we're still stuck at this level, then I don't believe it will matter.
 
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If you won’t accept the word of the so-called alt media or wikileaks when they tell you that the mainstream, respected, established, reputable, traditional, ad infinitum “media” is biased, would you accept a testimonial from a regular guy who likes big, old Chrysler products and knows how to turn wrenches? . No need for a big payday. No agenda for power, no political ambition beyond my current part-time city council gig. (And someday, when I'm able to snow-bird it, I'll also have to give that up.)

But like our current President, I have also done some community organizing. In 2008 I put together a rally supporting the US auto industry. I had the backing of the mayors of Sterling Heights and Warren, MI (either of which; individually dwarf the city of Detroit in numbers of auto sector jobs) along with a few intelligent friends. It was timed to coincide with the January press week at the 2009 North American International Auto Show (NAIAS). There was no support from the UAW; in fact they were against it because we refused to play their simpleton “corporate greed” message. Of course that didn’t stop them from sending down a few people to hold their signs once it was obvious we were pulling this off without them. I would label the event a success. Hundreds attended, but most of our coverage was from international media. (The corporate-owned local media gives less than a damn about this city. And who de-regulated that same media? Good ol' Bill Clinton)

In order to be a credible speaker I had to become expert on issues of trade policy, currency values, regulation and even manufacturing strategy. In the years since this event, I have been quoted in many publications and interviewed on radio/TV and in print by journalists from all over the world. The reason is obvious to me… Novelty.

You see, journalists are fascinated by the radical idea that intelligent people work in non-executive positions within the auto industry. What they fail to realize is that the blue and light-blue collar jobs pay fairly well, and while they would attract just about anyone, they retain a high share of "smart people" because of the benefits. At least for those who are grandfathered-in at higher wages (pre-2007 hires). If you are willing to work hard; either overtime or a second career in your off-hours, you can really earn money. To borrow a Sopranos term, most of my co-worker "earners" own investment real estate, are silent partners, or directly employ other people. And of course, others manage to burn through their paychecks as soon as they are cashed, as happens in all occupations. But back to the novelty aspect… They call on me because it’s easy; I’m sure they share sources. When you develop a reputation as being knowledgeable and reliable (deadlines!) you’ll soon become a favorite. In fact, CNN called while I was writing this.

A few months ago, I gave an interview for the German news magazine Focus. The German journalists wanted to investigate the fascinating subject of Americans who would admit they were voting for Donald Trump. We had a pleasant phone conversation and I suggested we take advantage of the nice weather and meet at a local park on the shore of Lake St. Clair. I greeted them in my most formal German (Wie geht es dir, mein Herr und meine Frau?) and began a quick dissertation on German vs. US trade policy. I covered Value Added Taxes (and how they are rebated to German exporters), explained why two vehicles which sell for the same price in the USA are $9-15,000 apart in Germany, covered the influence of IG Mettal on German politics vs, the US, and finally summed it up by saying that while I expected no miracles, at least candidate Trump appeared interested in balancing the scale. Interview complete I suggested a local restaurant for their supper, for which they later texted me “Danke“.

Anyone care to guess how much of that appeared in print? Exactly zero. Instead they found another guy to complain about “them foreinerrs“ while wearing his ripped shirt half-open.

Did the reporters decide to omit anything of intelligence or did their editors? Does it matter? The result is the same... When something doesn’t fit the predetermined-narrative, (half-literate factory rats for Trump) highlight, click, delete. But lest you think I’m only picking on German journalists, let me tell you about last Friday’s interview with the New York Times.

I spoke with Abby over the phone. Her story would be about how the Democrats misread the industrial mid-west. She asked If I voted for McCain, to which I replied “You mean ‘who cares about manufacturing', Lexus-driving John McCain? Absolutely not." What about Mittens Romney? “Oh, you mean the guy who wrote an op-ed titled ‘Let Detroit [industry] Go Bankrupt‘? No, I didn’t feel moved to vote for him either." Of course, she didn’t ask who I did vote for; (third-party since I thought the major candidates were awful in both elections).

"So what makes Trump different?" and I replied to her, "He understood some of our issues right of the bat, unlike Secretary Clinton, who had to be told by the UAW that her stance on NAFTA and TPP were killing her chances in industrial states." Then she said "You didn’t beieve her when she reversed on those deals?" I said that I wasn’t sure if that was a public or private position.

Abby confided to me that many in her profession don’t listen to anything said in between the coasts, but that she was "different", because she grew up in upstate New York, and that’s nothing like the city. I told her that I knew that was true... I have friends in upstate New York. We have this thing called the internet now, and even people in Michigan talk to people all over the world. In fact, we also read books and I mentioned reading Trump’s book. That’s why this attempt to label him a misogynist wasn’t working on me. As I stated earlier, Trump has placed many females in power-postions within his organization. Locker-room talk with shock-jocks and gossip show hosts wasn’t going to convince me otherwise. I also passed along two op-ed pieces I wrote for the Macomb Daily (the county where he rallied several times and won HUGE). They were chock-full of reasoning which reflected local sentiment.

So even though I was photographed, looking as working class as possible in a black leather jacket next to an American flag, they cut the whole interview down to essentially one quote, and that was a partial quote. ""He understood some of our issues right of the bat".
 
If you won’t accept the word of the so-called alt media or wikileaks when they tell you that the mainstream, respected, established, reputable, traditional, ad infinitum “media” is biased...

(had to break this post in two)

Now I’ll quote some of the other prejudiced language used by this reporter from upstate NY who claimed she was different from those isolated NY city-folk.

“In Macomb County, just north of Detroit, where the term ‘Reagan Democrats’ was coined after white autoworkers abandoned the party….”

(Really? In this big election where the race card was so often played, it was only whitey who didn’t vote for Hillary? Too bad the numbers don’t back that up. BTW, who's really obsessed with color?)

“Patricia Meadows, a retired waitress [voted for Trump] because he was ‘not so political’. Ms. Meadows, 68, said on Thursday as she ate fried fish at a diner in Warren, a weathered city at the county’s southern end… Her daughter had obtained subsidized [healthcare] insurance for $50 a month”

(She’s old, unskilled, eating unhealthy food in a greasy spoon diner. She’s too stupid to vote her interests. Don’t listen to her; she’s a virtual non-person.)

“The city of Sterling Heights, home to a large Ford plant, is facing a federal lawsuit after rejecting a proposed mosque last year”

(A mega-mosque in a residential-zoned area that was rejected for traffic concerns. Surely a set-up to bring a lawsuit, via a willing Department of Justice. The area already has many smaller mosques, and the leaders were invited to bring a smaller-scaled project without the traffic impact.)

The same article said that Trump’s victory played a “major role” in defeating a local mass-transit ballot measure. They further claim it was rejected because residents feared “it would speed up the transfer of drugs from the inner city” (quote from an 18 y/o kid, although probably true). Now when was the last time NYT readers concerned themselves with the result of an out-state local ballot measure? But if it furthers the narrative of our region being downtrodden, poorly educated, “white”, etc. (just like those hicks in farm country), well then it’s newsworthy. Incidentally, the $4.7 billion mass-transit issue would have raised property taxes over $120 per year for most people. It would have reduced existing traffic lanes to add “high-speed” buses. In a time when electric, autonomous and self-driving car rental cars are 7-10-years away, this ballot proposal made about as much sense as a stagecoach line.

But the point of this long post is not about "Trump". He is only the last manifestation (victim?) of a media that tells you what it believes you should think. Think about WHY you hold the opinions that you do. These people never let the whole story get in the way of an opportunity to stereotype and be dismissive. As far as I’m concerned, the sooner this mainstream, respected, established, reputable, traditional media dies, the better. The real problem will be, what takes its place?
 
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I disagree with only that little line
Barbarosa started 22 June 1941 but the U. S. only entered WW2 on December 7, 1941 by which time the beginning of the end had already passed for the Germans. Hitler committed a huge strategic blunder and went all in with a push towards Moscow but the Russians succeeded in fending him off. The Russians knew the Germans were totally spent and on December 5th launched a major counteroffensive. The Germans were pushed back over 200 km by the New Year. The timing was perfect for Roosevelt to jump in with both feet
 
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