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So is it a common thing for C body owners of 1972 and back cars to convert their cars to electronic ignition?

In the A and B body world it is mega common but I have not heard too much about it from the c body crowd.

I have an electronic ignition conversion kit and I was thinking to convert my 68 fasttop fury.

Any ideas on the ideal mounting spots for the ECU and updated VR?
 
I guess that some of us prefer electronic ignition systems. Inner fenders might be good spots to mount the ECU as they do not get so much heat as places closer to the engine. What`s the VR?
 
So is it a common thing for C body owners of 1972 and back cars to convert their cars to electronic ignition?

In the A and B body world it is mega common but I have not heard too much about it from the c body crowd.

I have an electronic ignition conversion kit and I was thinking to convert my 68 fasttop fury.

Any ideas on the ideal mounting spots for the ECU and updated VR?
Mixed reviews from C Body folks... there are many who stay with points and are happy.

I would guess the A and B folks are more stuck on racing ideas like running the engine to RPMs where the stock points would break up before the Electronic boxes... an upgrade I would have made when I was more prone to stupid human tricks in a car, but doubt I'd see the need for today.

IMO, a wasted effort if using questionable components... fine if using quality stuff. The points world has better success with NOS... try @halifaxhops for parts and information.
 
I've observed thaafft one of the most accepted, somewhat incognito upgrades, in the Mopar world is the Mopar Performance Electronic Ignition kit. There are some who claim it's not available any more and others who question the items in it, in more recent history. BUT to me, it's the best way to get everything you'll need to do the deal. I'd just replace the supplied Orange Box controller with something more stock-oriented, as the Orange Box needs a higher voltage to work. The battery can be hot enough to spin the motor fast enough to start, but still be about 1 volt too low to fire the plus through that box.

Find an electronic voltage regulator that's a drop-in replacement for your existing regulator, that has electronic guts hidden in the normal looking metal box. As for the ECU, I had an old MSD 5-series plug-in Chrysler box that I used on my '67 Chrysler. I found an electrically hot location behind the lh front headlight fender extension, so I spliced a length of wire to adapt that mounting location. Hid that wire in the existing harness that goes over the lh front wheelhouse. Then hid the additional wire to the distributor in the existing cross-cowl harness, beside an electric choke wire I'd already added to that area.

Stay AWAY from the Mopar Peformance earlier-style voltage regulator. It puts out too much voltage that can help you find any flaky electrical connection in the car, plus cause earlier failures from things like light bulbs, thoughout the car, as stated in the Mopar Performance Race Manual. For a race-only car that is started and run for short periods of time, it's fine, just not for a street car that sees normal use.

As I discovered with my points distributors, point lobe wear can be an issue. Point gap and point dwell readings need to be "in range". With time, wear will round off the sharp edges on the distributor cam lobes, which can mean the point gaps will NOT be the same on all lobes. When using a dial indicator to seek to get the points adjusted better, I soon discovered that few of the lobes measured the same height, which meant the point gap would not be the same for all lobes, as point gap/dwell affects ignition timing on each cylinder. For this issue alone, I had no issues with installing the MP ignition kit. PLUS, it looks stock and appropriate for the car.

Perhaps I was getting a little too intense in desiring a more accurate spark for all cylinders? Perhaps it was the fact that many replacement point sets had ceased putting the little vial of "point grease" for the rubbing block on the points in their kits? Or that some had reported that their points (obviously without the vial of grease and their not knowing it was supposed to be there and what it's function was, resulting in points not lasting past 7000 miles, when they should have a durability of closer to 20K miles?

The observed best reason to keep points in the car is that with a weak battery that will barely crank the motor, as long as the points "spark", then the spark plugs spark and can start the car. Whereas the electronic ignition boxes have a minimum voltage threshold that must be exceeded in order for the plugs to fire.

When all cars had ignition points, we just gapped the points for the particular distributor lobe was handy and then checked the dwell when done. Everybody knew that you needed the vial of point grease and how to use it, too. AND, points were pretty reliable in daily use and would spin to 7000+ rpm. So it all worked plenty good enough, back then. AND they can still work pretty well now, as long as you lube the rubbing block and can get the point gap/dwell readings "in the zone".

Compelling reasons to update and not to update. Just depends upon how the vehicle is being used and how "stock" it might be.

Enjoy!'
CBODY67
 
Biggest thing with a points system is getting quality point/condensers today.

Back when all vehicles had point ignitions, almost every point set was of decent enough quality to get through 12K miles/year with no real issues. Most were USA-based parts, too, if that matters. Never was too hard to do a Chrysler as it was easier to get to or remove the distributors, but some GM cars . . . took more acrobatics just to get to the distributors. Had to have fender covers and be able to lean over the engine to do the deal. Some guys were better than others at this!

Plus, back then, almost every auto supply had the points you needed. Try that now.

CBODY67
 
They are special order at most stores except GM 8. I buy all the nos ones I can find. Standard blue streak is decent if you can find them the new Capacitors have a seriously high fail rate when they get hot.
 
I've observed thaafft one of the most accepted, somewhat incognito upgrades, in the Mopar world is the Mopar Performance Electronic Ignition kit. There are some who claim it's not available any more and others who question the items in it, in more recent history. BUT to me, it's the best way to get everything you'll need to do the deal. I'd just replace the supplied Orange Box controller with something more stock-oriented, as the Orange Box needs a higher voltage to work. The battery can be hot enough to spin the motor fast enough to start, but still be about 1 volt too low to fire the plus through that box.

Find an electronic voltage regulator that's a drop-in replacement for your existing regulator, that has electronic guts hidden in the normal looking metal box. As for the ECU, I had an old MSD 5-series plug-in Chrysler box that I used on my '67 Chrysler. I found an electrically hot location behind the lh front headlight fender extension, so I spliced a length of wire to adapt that mounting location. Hid that wire in the existing harness that goes over the lh front wheelhouse. Then hid the additional wire to the distributor in the existing cross-cowl harness, beside an electric choke wire I'd already added to that area.

Stay AWAY from the Mopar Peformance earlier-style voltage regulator. It puts out too much voltage that can help you find any flaky electrical connection in the car, plus cause earlier failures from things like light bulbs, thoughout the car, as stated in the Mopar Performance Race Manual. For a race-only car that is started and run for short periods of time, it's fine, just not for a street car that sees normal use.

As I discovered with my points distributors, point lobe wear can be an issue. Point gap and point dwell readings need to be "in range". With time, wear will round off the sharp edges on the distributor cam lobes, which can mean the point gaps will NOT be the same on all lobes. When using a dial indicator to seek to get the points adjusted better, I soon discovered that few of the lobes measured the same height, which meant the point gap would not be the same for all lobes, as point gap/dwell affects ignition timing on each cylinder. For this issue alone, I had no issues with installing the MP ignition kit. PLUS, it looks stock and appropriate for the car.

Perhaps I was getting a little too intense in desiring a more accurate spark for all cylinders? Perhaps it was the fact that many replacement point sets had ceased putting the little vial of "point grease" for the rubbing block on the points in their kits? Or that some had reported that their points (obviously without the vial of grease and their not knowing it was supposed to be there and what it's function was, resulting in points not lasting past 7000 miles, when they should have a durability of closer to 20K miles?

The observed best reason to keep points in the car is that with a weak battery that will barely crank the motor, as long as the points "spark", then the spark plugs spark and can start the car. Whereas the electronic ignition boxes have a minimum voltage threshold that must be exceeded in order for the plugs to fire.

When all cars had ignition points, we just gapped the points for the particular distributor lobe was handy and then checked the dwell when done. Everybody knew that you needed the vial of point grease and how to use it, too. AND, points were pretty reliable in daily use and would spin to 7000+ rpm. So it all worked plenty good enough, back then. AND they can still work pretty well now, as long as you lube the rubbing block and can get the point gap/dwell readings "in the zone".

Compelling reasons to update and not to update. Just depends upon how the vehicle is being used and how "stock" it might be.

Enjoy!'
CBODY67
The Lean Burn on my 78 New Yorker was removed at some point in its life.
Its 400 engine now has a points distributor and a 1406 Edlebrock carburetor.

I cant say it runs poorly now ,but I was thinking of converting it to electronic ignition this summer.
One reason I want to convert is that the non original distributor is a pain to get at .
Even removing the distributor cap is a lesson in patience .

So if I were to order the Mopar performance kit, what would you recommend using instead of the orange box that comes with the kit?
 
Just a normal Chrysler control unit, nothing special, the OEM part for that model. Many of the earlier MSD boxes with the Chrysler plug-in connection have vanished from availability, especially the basic 5-series one I got back then. On your car, there should be a mounting hole where the original box was on the firewall, I suspect. The kit comes with a wiring harness so it can go where one had not already been, which is good.

CBODY67
 
So is it a common thing for C body owners of 1972 and back cars to convert their cars to electronic ignition?

In the A and B body world it is mega common but I have not heard too much about it from the c body crowd.

I have an electronic ignition conversion kit and I was thinking to convert my 68 fasttop fury.

Any ideas on the ideal mounting spots for the ECU and updated VR?

IMHO doing an electronic ignition conversion is the first thing to do for dependable, trouble free driving.

You want to mount the ECU on a bracket (several options are available on eBay) or with spacers behind it for air flow to keep it cool as heat is the enemy of an ECU. I like mounting them underneath the battery tray where they are hidden and are away from the engine heat.

If your kit has the blue Mopar Performance constant output voltage regulator DO NOT USE IT as it is a constant output VR designed for racing applications. If you are looking to keep your engine bay looking stock, consider this VR that I sell:

Mopar Voltage Regulator - Electronic Solid State with Correct Restoration Look 724469250010 | eBay

Alternatively and depending on what size/amp alternator you are using you could convert to the '70 & up style voltage regulator or as noted above in another post use some type of solid state voltage regulator.

The quality of the Mopar Performance Orange ECU can be spotty and they commonly fail and I would recommend purchasing a spare ECU. I sell a high quality Marine rated ECU on eBay but am currently out of stock and should have more in stock in a week or so. There are a lot of junk ECU's out there and some, when they fail drip black goo out of the back so don't go cheap on a spare ECU. If you are doing any high performance upgrades to your car, consider the Rev-N-Ator ECU. It's not cheap but it works great and as an adjustable built in rev limiter that has saved my butt on a few occasions.

Just my 2 cents on this topic based on my nearly 30 years experience with C Body's.
 
The Lean Burn on my 78 New Yorker was removed at some point in its life.
Its 400 engine now has a points distributor and a 1406 Edlebrock carburetor.

I cant say it runs poorly now ,but I was thinking of converting it to electronic ignition this summer.
One reason I want to convert is that the non original distributor is a pain to get at .
Even removing the distributor cap is a lesson in patience .

So if I were to order the Mopar performance kit, what would you recommend using instead of the orange box that comes with the kit?

Just watch the curves on them some are not adjustable. For the price you cant beat them.
 
They are special order at most stores except GM 8. I buy all the nos ones I can find. Standard blue streak is decent if you can find them the new Capacitors have a seriously high fail rate when they get hot.
There’s a guy on Facebook I think in Arizona that sell a lot of NOS aftermarket parts. A while back he had a lot of Standard Blue Streak Stuff. Neohoff, Elgin etc. even AC Delco. I believe his name is William Cowger. I bought a pair of vintage aftermarket valve covers from him & they where as described.
 
First, I don't think that Mopar Performance even sells the ignition kit anymore. If they do, I haven't found a listing.

The ignition "kits" that I've seen are usually made up of offshore sourced parts. We've had multiple threads on here about issues with the eBay sourced kits. It seems to be a crap shoot.

IMHO, the best bang for the buck right now is a used or rebuilt genuine Mopar distributor with a GM HEI module. Simple, reliable, and easy to source. Spare parts for a long trip would be another distributor with a GM HEI module for "plug and play" replacement.

My '70 300 has the older Mopar Performance ignition components that have been very reliable for me. For a long trip, I carry a spare ballast resistor and a ECU sourced from @FURYGT .
 
Let's talk more about this GM thingamabob. I'm totally unfamiliar with it.
What's this all about?
It's pretty simple. Use a Chrysler distributor with the GM HEI module.

I've seen this done a few ways. It all comes out the same though. You don't need the ballast resistor anymore and you can use an "E" type coil if you want. Everything else is just how you decide to mount the HEI module.

Some reading...

Mopar HEI Conversion
Mopar HEI Conversion
HEI Electronic Ignition Retrofit How-To - Slant Six Forum
 
In the A and B body world it is mega common but I have not heard too much about it from the c body crowd.

Any ideas on the ideal mounting spots for the ECU and updated VR?

Huh? This seems to be brought up at least once a week.

I hope you realize this component does no more than turn your coil on/off? So unless you're planning to touch the higher RPM bands while racing or ignore a relatively simple maintenance item on a hobby-car, this change won't do anything but expose you to questionable aftermarket parts.

If you were ditching a Lean Burn system, I could see more merit.

I would also reconsider any suggestion to mount wiring or components under a battery tray. I'm sure you've seen destroyed battery trays even on otherwise super-clean cars... I sure have.
 
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