Need seat upholstery help

Cazman

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Has anyone had any experience with SMS Auto Fabrics? On my '68 300 with burgundy interior, I have a seat bottom insert that is torn up. The rest of the interior is fine, so there is no need to replace anything except the one seat bottom insert. My problem is that the vinyl that I bought from SMS does not match. It looked like it would be fine from the sample that I received from them, but when I got the actual material it is way off. The sample was just too small to tell and now that I have the larger roll it does not work.

So, has anyone else had luck matching fabric from SMS? Is it just folly to think that I can match 50 year old fabric to any new fabric? I hate to reupholster the whole interior, because of one bad seat insert.
 
SMS is usually pretty good if they have a good sample to work from. How is the fabric "off" color, pattern? They do occasionally screw up, I would call them. The two old farts that run the place have been doing this for about 40 years.

Dave
 
They sent me a sample. I did not send them anything. It looked good as a small piece sample. The grain and pattern are good, but it is just a couple shades off. Very noticeable. Maybe my interior has changed color after 50 years. So, it could be the right fabric??
 
They sent me a sample. I did not send them anything. It looked good as a small piece sample. The grain and pattern are good, but it is just a couple shades off. Very noticeable. Maybe my interior has changed color after 50 years. So, it could be the right fabric??

A lot of colors fade over time, they also get dirty. Try pulling the lower part of the rear seat out and compare the fabric to the rear part of the lower seat cushion as that part is usually not faded.

Dave
 
Good idea. Also, have any tips on the best vinyl cleaner that won't dry out the original fabric?
 
Each of the factory vinyls and fabrics have their own part number. The larger trim shops had those catalogs, back when the cars were new. They used to have shelves of those catalogs, year by year. Using those part numbers to order fabrics, just as you'd use a factory part number to get a piece of molding for the car's body.

Fabrics and vinyls DO fade with time, but automotive fabrics and such usually fade at a slower rate than residential fabrics seem to do. The factory trim codes, up until the '74 model year in C-bodies (and probably other Chrysler Corp vehicles) had a pearl/metallic tint on top of the base color. As this top coat ages, it can look dirty, but no vinyl cleaner will make it look "clean" again. Just part of the deal, as I determined on my '67 Newport with the Pearl White vinyl interior. As mentioned, a piece of material from under a seat, where the "sun don't shine", would be the best way to determine the original color of the material, rather than in a sun-affected area.

In doing a "clean-up" on an interior, I believe that a cleaner you mix yourself, then administer with a soft brush or sudsy sponge, is best. A former member of one car club I'm in had great results using Simple Green on a '66 Buick Electra. We were surprised how well it turned out.

When using any soap/cleaner, be SURE to get the dirty solution off of the material as soon as you can, consistent with good cleaning. Then rinse it with clean water until the rinse water comes out clean. After that dries, repeat if needed with the soap. Then do the final rinses. After that has dried, a protectant of your choice can be buffed on and off, even multiple coats spaced a week apart, might be considered.

This is one area where a little higher level of execution, with multiple cleanings, can be worth the additional effort.

One other consideration, in the area of material "color", is "dye lots" and the color variations between them. I learned of this when I worked for a drapery manufacturer. We'd have 6 partial bolts of a particular fabric in stock. Few of which exactly matched each other. When a customer came to have a damaged panel, I had to take a sample from the drapery and match it to what we had in stock, hopefully finding a close-match, if not an exact one. As automotive fabric colors are usually held to a much higher standard of performance/durability than residential materials seem to be, this should not be nearly as great of an issue, I hope.

Keep us posted,
CBODY67
 
We ordered fabric/vinyl for my friends -62 Imperial and everything was correct.
Sorry to hear that your order is not so correct :(
 
The factory trim codes, up until the '74 model year in C-bodies (and probably other Chrysler Corp vehicles) had a pearl/metallic tint on top of the base color.

BINGO CBODY67! This is the difference. The top pearl sheen makes the color look like its a shade off, but it is the pearl that makes it look that way. As you said, there is no way to get the old pearl look back on the old fabric. So, now I have the dilemma. Use the new with a slight mismatch or find another fabric without the pearl effect.
 
BINGO CBODY67! This is the difference. The top pearl sheen makes the color look like its a shade off, but it is the pearl that makes it look that way. As you said, there is no way to get the old pearl look back on the old fabric. So, now I have the dilemma. Use the new with a slight mismatch or find another fabric without the pearl effect.
It's probably as close as you are going to get for a match. You might be able to dye the new material to match, but even then, it's probably not going to be exact.
 
BINGO CBODY67! This is the difference. The top pearl sheen makes the color look like its a shade off, but it is the pearl that makes it look that way. As you said, there is no way to get the old pearl look back on the old fabric. So, now I have the dilemma. Use the new with a slight mismatch or find another fabric without the pearl effect.

To my knowledge, there were no "pearl" or "non-pearl" colors, just what was produced in your particular model year, which is "pearl". Any "similar" colors would probably be farther off in color than what you got from SMS, as Big__John mentioned. I needed some new vinyl to replace the "GM White vinyl" in my '67 Newport bucket seats. I wanted something closer to the Chrysler vinyl on the seat backs. Ford "Corinthian White" didn't match, nor did anything else in the swatch catalog. What I thought would work, the expert trim shop guy said "No" to and used his own judgment, which was ok. Didn't sent off to SMS for a swatch as I didn't have that much time to deal with. Had to procure locally.

Should you get into the swatch catalogs, you'll see how much better the Chrysler codes look, compared to the "drab" GM and Ford codes, I believe. I suspect you've got the closest match that's possible, already.

Take care,
CBODY67
 
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