Has anyone used a Muscle Car Brakes drum kit on a C-body?

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  1. TxDon

    TxDon Active Member

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    I am considering a complete rebuild and upgrade of the drum brake system on my 66 Monaco wagon. My car has 11" by 3" front and 11" by 2 1/2" rear shoes which is the same setup as many B-body muscle cars so I am considering buying a full kit from Muscle Car Brakes which includes upgraded drums, shoes, ceramic linings, wheel cylinders, and upgraded hardware. It also includes a new master cylinder which will allow me to go to a dual master setup. These parts and kits get high ratings on FBBO, has anyone used their parts on a C-body? If so what was your experience, did it improve braking performance, were there any issues or problems?
    Here is their website: Muscle Car Brakes
     
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    Davea Lux Old Man with a Hat FCBO Gold Member

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    The part numbers For 11" B-Body and C-Body drums from the '66 parts manual are different, I suspect using B-Body parts is not going to work. See attached. Click on mail 004, not the icon.

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    Ross Wooldridge Senior Member FCBO Gold Member

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    I would highly suggest going to a 69-73 disc brake setup. Easily available factory engineered parts and modern car braking. The biggest challenge will be finding the 65-68 disc booster, and there's lots out there to be found. One just has to know where to look.
     
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    marko Well-Known Member FCBO Gold Member

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    did you ask muscle car brakes about what you wanted to do ?
    but i think i'd take advice from @Davea Lux and @Ross Wooldridge more than someone who is trying to sell you a brake kit.........
     
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    CBODY67 Old Man with a Hat

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    Just looked at their linked page. In the Stage III kit, the cryogenically-cooled drums are similar to what Delco (and possibly others) do to some of their disc brake rotors for additional surface hardness. Decreased "lot rot" rusting is one advantage that Delco lists, BUT I also highly suspect that extra hardness is to better deal with the higher abrasive action of the ceramic frictions on many newer vehicles. Possibly using ceramic frictions on non-treated drums could degrade them faster than even the prior metallic frictions?

    To me, one of the easiset upgrades would be to find the backing plates for the factory 11x3 rear brakes, plus drums and associated hardware.

    I suspect the C-body front drums are physically heavier/beefier than the similar B-body items, due to the amount of heat they would need to absorb?

    The factory power brakes usually had NO problem locking all 4 wheels, when new, from my experiences. So there was plenty of braking power there, just not with the added fade resistance of disc brakes. But then, too, the amount of fade resistance tended to be variable with the brand and type of frictions, back then. Seems like there was a brake place in Amarillo, TX that did the police metallic brake shoes for Chrysler, back then?

    Please keep us posted,
    CBODY67
     
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    Thanks for the responses. I did not really expect to find any users of this vendor here but wanted to try. I cross posted my thread on the FBBO forum and as expected found a lot more opinions but only one confirmed user so far. He has their stuff on a Hemi Super Bee and has driven it for 10 years and 70,000 miles that way. His experience supports MCB's claims and he says there are no modulation or lockup issues, just way better braking. I'm sure cost would keep most away from MCB but I would still like to hear from other users.
     
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    Thanks Ross but for now anyway I want to stay with drums if I can improve them. we shall see.
     
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    I also looked in my Hollander manual and you are correct. Wonder what the difference is...
     
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    I did expand my online research of MCB and have found a number of satisfied users of their parts with other car makes. The company has been around for many years and was originally called Praise Dyno Brakes, all started by John Ambrose. Instead of using their special drums some have had their drums cryo-treated for the same result - never knew you could do that. Still researching this plus other drum options.
     
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    Update, I have now heard from about 6 satisfied users on FBBO plus a few other Facebook comments. One was @MarPar who put their stuff on a 69 C body. All who have used them are big fans, say the performance is as promised including fade resistance. No one used the thermo cooled drums but just used stock type and no mention of the ceramic being a wear issue. Most felt they were well worth the cost. I am leaning more in their direction.
     
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    Don, please DO keep us posted if you purchase these ceramic 11x3" front shoes, presumably as part of the Stage III package MCB offers. I'm extremely curious about the quality of every component offered in these packages, as I intend to keep drum brakes exclusively for Mathilda and any other Golden Age of Detroit Iron Mopar we acquire. If they offer the comprehensive system implied by their web advertisement, this may be worthwhile. I don't like brake systems which rely on boosters; thus pure mechanical drum brakes.

    Find out WHO makes their drums, shoes, wheel and master cylinders for their system. A grand isn't too bad IFF the components all be well made.
     
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