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On this day in 1991, four generations of American aircraft carriers from Battle Force Zulu steamed in formation following Operation Desert Storm.

USS Midway (CV-41) – Midway-class (commissioned 1945)

USS Ranger (CV-61) – Forrestal-class

USS America (CV-66) – Kitty Hawk-class

USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) – Nimitz-class

A rare sight...four eras of naval aviation history sailing together at the close of one conflict and on the edge of a new decade.

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Havnt been there in several years but i do remember these moorings. didnt realize they were original constructions, so 80 years in the water.

you can read the story, but basically government worried they were disintegrating as the boat ages. (the platforms were on the deck itself so they were worried they might pierce the deck of the aging ship). they were installed in 1942. Pearl Harbor is mostly saltwater and these platforms were mostly underwater all that time.

https://www.war.gov/News/News-Stori...sfully-removes-uss-arizona-platform-concrete/

Navy divers remove significant portions of WWII platforms from USS Arizona | Maui Now

https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/N...ins-removal-of-uss-arizona-mooring-platforms/

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After WW2 Brazil found itself with a large stock of surplus M3 Stuart light tanks, which by the late 1960s and early 1970s were thoroughly outdated. Instead of purchasing costly foreign replacements, the Brazilian Army launched an ambitious modernization program that relied on domestic industry.

The effort was led by Bernardini S.A. Indústria e Comércio in partnership with the Army’s Instituto de Pesquisas e Desenvolvimento (IPD). The X1A emerged as an improved successor to the earlier X1 prototype, incorporating lessons from testing to create a more mobile, better-protected, and more combat-effective vehicle while extending the usefulness of the aging Stuart platform.

M3 Stuart - Wikipedia

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spacenews.com/nasa-loses-contact-with-maven-mars-orbiter/

Little known but a lotta science could be lost if they dont fix this. The following is a little nerdy.

NASA has lost contact with a Mars orbiter that has circled the planet for more than a decade, collecting science data and serving as a key communications relay.

In a statement late Dec. 9, NASA said it lost contact with the Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution, or MAVEN, spacecraft three days earlier. Telemetry showed the spacecraft was working normally before passing behind Mars as seen from Earth, but the spacecraft did not resume communications after emerging from behind the planet.

i feel two ways about this.

one big reason we did this MAVEN mission was to try to find out the heck happened to Mars' atmosphere(80-90 % of it is gone over billions of years ago). why? theory is one day a long time ago, Mars looked like Earth in that regard and my have had primitive life. In the Goldilocks Zone, it had liquid water (lakes, rivers, oceans) on the surface, and in theory it could support life like us. Why? one day we (humans) might have to live there when/if we screw-up this planet. Its still in the Sun's Goldilocks Zone, but nearly all of its air (and warer) has been gone for billions of years.

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OTOH, we spent $500 million and $20 some million a year to operate it (still like a fraction of a manned mission for only ten people let alone thousands of people in a a colony).A decade later there are some good theories like about the loss of its magnetic field.
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Hope they fix MAVEN and keep the science going (where did the atmosphere go?). I am still twisted up mentally as to (1 is this the best use of our time and $$?, AND "(2 let's agree whether we are f***ing up this planet to the extent one day we'll have to leave it.

go where? billions of people? trillions of $$?

Scientifically or economically i just dont see us moving to Mars. A great scy-fy story but compelling enough to give Musk or Bezos, or whoever, a few trillion $ and/or multiples of that to, say, terraforming Mars - then we still gotta get get there with 8 billion people! No way!!

I think not. Better story is figure out where all Mars' air went, who has to stay hete and die, and if it (like on Mars) can happen here. hope the space kids can keep working on that. Any more ranting, ill go to the FCBO politics forum.:)
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spacenews.com/nasa-loses-contact-with-maven-mars-orbiter/

Little known but a lotta science could be lost if they dont fix this. The follow is a little nerdy.

NASA has lost contact with a Mars orbiter that has circled the planet for more than a decade, collecting science data and serving as a key communications relay.

In a statement late Dec. 9, NASA said it lost contact with the Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution, or MAVEN, spacecraft three days earlier. Telemetry showed the spacecraft was working normally before passing behind Mars as seen from Earth, but the spacecraft did not resume communications after emerging from behind the planet.

i feel two ways about this.

one big reason we did this MAVEN mission was to try to find out the heck happened to Mars atmopsphere(80-90 % of it is gone over billions of years0). why? theory is one day a long time ago, Mars looked like Earth in thaat regard and my have had primitive life. In the Goldilocks Zone, it had liquid water (lakes, rivers, oceans) on the surface, and in theory it could support life like us. Why? one day we (humans) might have to live there when/if we screw-up this planet. It still in the Goldilocks Zone, but nearly all of its air has been gone for billions of years.

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OTOH, we spent $500 million and $20 some milllion a year to operate it (stilll like a tenth of a manned mission for only ten people let alone thousands in a colony).A decade later yhere are some good theories about loss of its magnetic fied

Hope they fix this and keep the science going (where did the atmosphere go?). I am stilll twisted up mentally as to (1 is this the best use of our time and $$?, AND(2 let's agree whether we are f***ing up this planet to the extent one day we'll have to leave it. go where? billions of people? trillions of $$?

Scientifically, I just dont see us moving to Mars. A great story but compelling enoung to give Musk or Bezos,or whoever, a few trillion $ and/or multiples of that to, say, terraform Mars?

I think not. Better story is figure out where all Mars air went, and if it can it happen here. hope the space kids can keep working on that. Any more ranting, ill go to the FCBO politics forum.:)
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Of course we could all be Martians. We screwed up that planet and moved here, now what?
 
its definitely possible we could of have come from somewhere else. wherever it was we werent there long enough to screw it up. in any event, we cant get back there and if we screw-ed this planet, we certainly aint got anywhere else to go!

ill' stop there before the skeptics get upset with me :mob:.

depends on what one believes i guess.:poke:
 
This is incredible:

In 1944, a factory outside Detroit was doing something that seemed physically impossible—rolling a completed four-engine bomber off the assembly line every 63 minutes, 24 hours a day.
The Willow Run plant stretched over 3.5 million square feet—so vast that supervisors used bicycles to get from one end to the other. When Ford Motor Company agreed to build B-24 Liberators here, skeptics said it couldn't be done. These weren't cars. Each bomber required 1.2 million parts, 360,000 rivets, and precision that could mean life or death for the ten-man crews who would fly them into combat over Europe and the Pacific.
Henry Ford's engineers looked at the challenge and saw something others missed: if you could mass-produce a car, why not an airplane? They designed the world's longest assembly line and reimagined aircraft manufacturing from the ground up. Parts moved on conveyor belts. Subassemblies came together with automotive efficiency. What had taken scattered aviation companies weeks to build, Willow Run aimed to complete in hours.
The numbers tell an almost unbelievable story. By the time production hit its stride in 1944, Willow Run was producing one complete B-24 Liberator every 63 minutes. Workers attached 58,000 pounds of metal, wiring, engines, and armaments into a flying machine faster than most people today could assemble furniture. Over three years, nearly 8,700 bombers rolled out of that single factory—accounting for half of all B-24s built during the entire war.
But here's what the statistics can't fully capture: who built them.
At its peak, Willow Run employed over 40,000 workers. A third of them were women. Many had never touched a rivet gun before Pearl Harbor. They came from farms and kitchens, from small towns across Michigan and beyond, drawn by patriotic duty and paychecks that offered independence they'd never known. With bandanas holding back their hair and coveralls replacing dresses, they climbed into bomber fuselages, operated massive machinery, and proved that "women's work" was whatever work needed doing.
These were the real Rosies. Not a poster or a symbol, but actual women named Violet, Rose, and Eleanor who welded, drilled, and assembled with the same skill as any man. They worked swing shifts and graveyard shifts. They learned trades in weeks that typically took years. And they did it knowing that every rivet they placed, every wire they connected, might save the life of someone's son flying missions over Germany.
The factory operated around the clock. Three shifts kept the assembly line moving through day and night. When workers clocked out, others clocked in, and the work never stopped. The sound of riveting echoed constantly—a mechanical heartbeat that never paused, never rested, never quit until victory was won.
President Franklin D. Roosevelt called America "the Arsenal of Democracy," and Willow Run was its proving ground. Stalin himself acknowledged that the war was won not just on battlefields but in factories like this one. The B-24s built at Willow Run flew missions that turned the tide—bombing raids over Ploesti, supply runs over the Himalayas, anti-submarine patrols over the Atlantic.
When the war ended in 1945, production stopped. The workers went home. Many women returned to domestic life, their contributions quickly forgotten by a society eager to return to "normal." The factory eventually became a General Motors plant, and most of the original structure was demolished in 2013.
But what happened at Willow Run can never be demolished. It stands as proof that when a nation unites around a common purpose, when ordinary people are given the tools and trust to do extraordinary things, the impossible becomes routine. It reminds us that the greatest generation wasn't great because they were special—they were great because when their moment came, they rose to meet it.
One bomber every 63 minutes. Eight thousand six hundred eighty-five reasons why freedom prevailed. And tens of thousands of workers—many of them women who'd been told they couldn't—proving exactly what they could do when given the chance.

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My grandmother, who'd be 100 this year she passed three years ago, worked in an oil can factory during the war. I have two of the cans she helped produce. She also sewed money bags for the Denver Mint at 1 cent bag. Evening though my grandfather was across the globe in Burma, and she had just given birth to their first son, she spoke very fondly of those days. Never said a word of complaint. The greatest generation indeed.
 
the General bought the plant in 1956 and we built more than 80 million transmissions here, i had some corporate powertrain duties in the 90's so i have been there a few dozen times. we didnt do anything nearly as impactful as Ford building nearly 9,000 Liberators every 63 seconds but as a history nerd i was cognizant of that plant's historical context. the auto industry was not dominated by greatest generation when i was in it but a few were still around. great folks. i got stories.
 
Didn’t GM build Corvairs there?

somewhere around 1960, we started building Corvairs there. i know we built transmissions where they built b24s in the 40's. but place was frickin huge and we added on to it and my have added assembly space to build Corvair plus other cars over the years. we stopped building trannies there in the 2000's. i started working for GM in the late 80's.

I know there's a lotta corvair history there but that car lived/died well before my time.

but yeah i know we built Corvair there in 60's
 
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