New oil pans

[69 300 vert]

With the scarcity of 187 and 699 oil pans as well as the BB A body guys buying them up I've been looking for an alternative to overpriced beat up used ones. I've found 440 source has a nice deep sump baffled pan for ~ $250, but I'm not really looking to lose any ground clearance these days. On a lark I checked rockauto and found they have a stock looking replacement pan by Pioneer, #501172, and it's already baffled.

So was wondering if anybody had tried one and could share their thoughts on it?

1969 CHRYSLER 300 7.2L 440cid V8 Oil Pan | RockAuto

 

[413]

187 pans are hard to find now? Seems like There should be many out there, maybe dented or rusted?

 

[Gerald Morris]

Pioneer seems to make very good quality for the dollar. I use their stuff when available.

 

[bnz84]

Probably not a preferred choice but I have a Mildon Hemi/440 6qrt pan (30761) that fit with no steering interference until I refreshed the sloppy parts and then they hit the pan. But the the combination of a flat grease fitting and slight grinding on the idler arm, and a gentle use of heat and a ball peen to the pan fixed it. Again, it would be hard to spend the money just to bend it up but its an option.

 

[bigmoparjeff]

Pioneer lists that pan as fitting just about every big block Mopar ever made, and even some cars that Chrysler never made. I would be surprised if it actually does fit everything without interference issues. The only way to know for sure would be to try one and see. It's clear in the photo that it doesn't have the idler arm relief that many B, C, and E pans have.

Jeff

 

[69 300 vert]

I don't know where I got the idea it had idler arm relief, but you're right, the pic doesn't show it. You won't be making any right turns without the relief in a '65 to '73 C body. I guess I got hung up on the front profile where it clears the crossmember. B body pans won't clear that.

 

[JMill67]

I don't know where I got the idea it had idler arm relief, but you're right, the pic doesn't show it. You won't be making any right turns without the relief in a '65 to '73 C body. I guess I got hung up on the front profile where it clears the crossmember. B body pans won't clear that.

They’re still out there. I just sold a nice 699 pan yesterday and I still have a 187 pan for sale. With pick up. It’s very straight. Zero rust. $120 plus shipping.

 

[MoperDan]

Just picked up a new one from 440source with the pickup. with shipping 235.00

 

[Fury1969WI]

Just picked up a new one from 440source with the pickup. with shipping 235.00

this one? Oil Pan - 6 quart - A or C body with tie rod relief - EXTRA THICK

 

[Gerald Morris]

this one? Oil Pan - 6 quart - A or C body with tie rod relief - EXTRA THICK

I LIKE the looks of this! I have two C body suitable oil pans just now, each original to the 383 that came with the car, and do dearly want a viable third. I have 2 truck pans also, of no use to me I can foresee, save sale or if I get a vehicle of that sort....

 

[MoperDan]

this one? Oil Pan - 6 quart - A or C body with tie rod relief - EXTRA THICK

Yes

 

[mgm1986]

Another vote for the 6 quart pan from 440Source. I installed one when I redid the front suspension and haven't had any clearance issues.

 

[Fury1969WI]

Another vote for the 6 quart pan from 440Source. I installed one when I redid the front suspension and haven't had any clearance issues.

Thanks very much for the confirmation on fitment. Did you use their oil pick-up tube?

 

[Big_John]

Thanks very much for the confirmation on fitment. Did you use their oil pick-up tube?

I think you would have to. The sump is deeper.

 

[Big_John]

Just picked up a new one from 440source with the pickup. with shipping 235.00

Another vote for the 6 quart pan from 440Source. I installed one when I redid the front suspension and haven't had any clearance issues.

So... 6 quarts with 1 quart for filter? 7 quart oil change?

 

[mgm1986]

I did not use their pickup tube although I definitely recommend you do. My obvious concern is the level drops below the pickup and I get air that stops the oil pump from pumping.

@Big_John - I believe it was six quarts total including the filter but I don't recall as I had to drop the pan several times to fix the rear main seal leak. When I change the oil at the end of the season I can post back how many quarts it takes to get to full.

The pan that came off the car was smashed to fit as the engine seems to be from an RV and the pan didn't have provisions for the steering linkage.

 

[Fury1969WI]

I did not use their pickup tube although I definitely recommend you do. My obvious concern is the level drops below the pickup and I get air that stops the oil pump from pumping.

@Big_John - I believe it was six quarts total including the filter but I don't recall as I had to drop the pan several times to fix the rear main seal leak. When I change the oil at the end of the season I can post back how many quarts it takes to get to full.

The pan that came off the car was smashed to fit as the engine seems to be from an RV and the pan didn't have provisions for the steering linkage.

Thanks and yes, FSM says pick-up should touch the bottom of pan (others say some small variance (<3/16"?) is ok/possibly even desirable). I was considering doing this with the engine in the car, wasn't sure about spinning that pick-up tube out. I'm guessing that will add to teh fun and excitement. It's a winter project so i'll have time.

 

[Big_John]

Thanks and yes, FSM says pick-up should touch the bottom of pan (others say some small variance (<3/16"?) is ok/possibly even desirable). I was considering doing this with the engine in the car, wasn't sure about spinning that pick-up tube out. I'm guessing that will add to teh fun and excitement. It's a winter project so i'll have time.

They are fairly easy to remove, just sometimes you mess them up if it's tight and you need a pipe wrench.

 

[Gerald Morris]

They are fairly easy to remove, just sometimes you mess them up if it's tight and you need a pipe wrench.

I had to resort to a small Rigid pipe wrench to remove the pickup from that 383 I started tearing down this spring. I didn't damage it, but likely will want to use a different one with whatever pan I put back on that engine. It came with a truck type pan; sump ALL in the rear.

 

[Big_John]

I had to resort to a small Rigid pipe wrench to remove the pickup from that 383 I started tearing down this spring. I didn't damage it, but likely will want to use a different one with whatever pan I put back on that engine. It came with a truck type pan; sump ALL in the rear.

I've destroyed a few, but when they are that stuck, the screen is usually toast or so full of junk that they weren't worth saving.