Talladega

I never did warm up to the "playoff" method in racing to determine a champion. The last race should be run just the same as the first race. Eliminating teams and resetting points changes the dynamics of the race. The original point system worked fine and set a fair and even playing field.
Now a team that is eliminated early on, but can still get on a winning streak has no chance at the championship. Where's the motivation to race hard, instead of being expected to move over for a still current contender..? Not fair to the fans & not fair to the teams.
 
[QUOTE="70bigblockdodge,

Go watch a race at your local dirt bullring. 2-3 heat races, a transfer race, and the main. If you ever see a top level late model dirt race you will never look at asphalt again except from your couch, because there is nothing else to do.[/QUOTE]


The dirt tracks are fun, if you have a short attention span. 3 laps and some rooky screws up, race stops, caution for 3 laps, then another 3/4 laps of racing, same thing. Good thing there only 20-25 laps. Tracks are short, dirt dosent allow enough traction for any speed.
And face it. There's some surlly looking characters hanging around a dirt track.
Great date night though. The girls seem to love it.
I'll take the hard surface and banks anytime.
 
I love NASCAR but I'd like to see some changes:
1. If you are going to have stage racing, there is no need to have a caution at the end of the stage, it is just NASCAR's way of closing up the field.
2. Yellow flag pitstops, the pit closes when the yellow comes out, leave it closed.
3. Lucky Dog, loose it, the five cars closest on track to the leader get a lap back (more like the days when the yellow come out and cars would race to get laps back). The days of cars coming back from multiple laps down are gone.
4. No repeat track, far too many tracks out there.
5. More road courses.
6. Maybe a revolving location date, every year there is a new/different track on the schedule.
7. No win, no chase.

I do like the new 5 min clock damage policy, fewer debris cautions.


Alan
 
bluefury361 said:
They should be allowed to run without restrictor plates. Then we can see the horsepower and real skill these guys have at true top speed.


The misconception here is that racing is all about speed. There is no way all these cars can compete at the same level without the plates. (The engines are built as restrictor plate engines). The fact that the cars are so equal is what creates the competition. Anyone who has been around the racing industry knows that the race is won in the shop, in the pits, and with the combined knowledge and wisdom of the driver and crew chief. The beauty of Talladega is anyone of the drivers who starts has an equal chance to win, no matter where they start. Knowledge of aerodynamics and strategy counts most.
As is true with any type of racing, at any track, luck plays a large part.

Top speed capability of these cars would be unmanageable at Talladega.
Wanna have some fun....... Go to Talladega and ride or drive with the Dale Jarrett driving adventure.

Racing Adventure - NASCAR Racing Experience
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Balderdash. A little plate with holes in it makes the cars equal? Remove said plate and they arent? Baloney.
Top speed would be unmanageable without the plates? Fine. Remove the plates and see who has the biggest cajones. Put the racing back into the drivers control.

Want to reduce speed? Smaller engines, less cam, lower compression or a smaller throttle body all work. It worked in the truck series.
 
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70bigblockdodge said:
Concrete is for sidewalks
Asphalt is for the road leading to the track
Dirt is for racing.

Go watch a race at your local dirt bullring. 2-3 heat races, a transfer race, and the main. If you ever see a top level late model dirt race you will never look at asphalt again except from your couch, because there is nothing else to do.
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The Oswego Speedway is about 45 minutes north of me.

5/8 mile asphalt oval. Super Modified cars with methanol injected big blocks and no wing. 135MPH + lap speeds.
Hard to go to the dirt tracks after that... although there's a bunch of dirt tracks around here and DIRT headquarters used to be here.

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My oldest did try some entry level dirt racing... That didn't go well for him.

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We have a nice paved oval here and it's a blast also.
Local tracks are great everything is a short race compared to the just putting down laps at a Sunday NASCAR race.
Watching a well sorted dirt late model car's suspension work a 3/8 mile dirt oval is riveting. The only thing that compares is a car leaving the starting line with the front wheels chest high on a drag strip.
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Now these are exciting.
 
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Dirt doesnt allow high speed? You havent been to the right track.
Lap speeds are lower....why? They have to slow down for the turn. Na$car could do the same thing but wont.
 
traintech55 said:
Nascar, yawn. Lets bring bsck the 1970 season
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Last year with a dirt track on the schedule.
MoPar Maniac said:
Dirt doesnt allow high speed? You havent been to the right track
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Agreed, and if dirt lates don't do it for you go watch a sprint car race. 800-1000 hp, no transmission, no "real brakes" to speak of all in a overgrown 1400# go kart.
 
For WIW... I do deeply despise NASCAR for taking over and screwing up so much racing... but its autosports and I love it. I've never been too much into drag racing... but do want to get to the Gatornationals someday.
bluefury361 said:
The bump & run method works better on the short tracks.
The "nuts to butts", as you put it, really only works at Dega. The aerodynamics involved during the race fascinates me. You can't see it but its there, and is a huge factor to being successful.
Example: On a interstate hwy you come up on a big truck that pushing a lot of air. You move to the left and tuck in close to the left rear of it. There's a vacuum area, (negative air), at that point. As you progress ahead you notice the drag of the air coming off the truck. Then move over as far left as you can to break through the "wall of air". You can "feel" the resistance diminishing as you go past.
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It seems to me (not that I have paid much attention these last couple of years) that the teams and drivers have worked out a lot of the "bugs" they had earlier on with the newer car generations. Things like where and how they could "hook up" with the car in front without crashing everybody.

I like watching and figuring out the aero too... but I hate what the "safety cars" have done to the field. I did like it better when the more unique shapes had effect on aero and the constant rule changes kept the cars just a little unstable... teams and drivers who could adapt had an advantage, but it made the races more exciting to watch.
MrMoparCHP said:
I love NASCAR but I'd like to see some changes:
1. If you are going to have stage racing, there is no need to have a caution at the end of the stage, it is just NASCAR's way of closing up the field.
2. Yellow flag pitstops, the pit closes when the yellow comes out, leave it closed.
3. Lucky Dog, loose it, the five cars closest on track to the leader get a lap back (more like the days when the yellow come out and cars would race to get laps back). The days of cars coming back from multiple laps down are gone.
4. No repeat track, far too many tracks out there.
5. More road courses.
6. Maybe a revolving location date, every year there is a new/different track on the schedule.
7. No win, no chase.

I do like the new 5 min clock damage policy, fewer debris cautions.


Alan
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I like several of your ideas... let me add one.

RAIN TIRES for certain races. Nothing sucks worse than getting rained out of an event you took time off to attend. I don't know if we ever got home from a July night race at Daytona much before dawn, the very predictable rain possibilities in Florida summers became too much a part of the strategy.

On the other hand, we did almost always grab dinner at starting time outside the track when the restaurants had cleared enough to get a table... and we missed very few starts. I quit buying tickets after Daytona changed my seating without notice. I have been back, but I have missed my "cheap seats" in the former back stretch.[/QUOTE]
 
I've been to Daytona a couple of times. Never to Talledega yet. I sure would like to go at least once.
 
I stopped enjoying this sport when you could no longer tell a Toyota from a Ford from a Chevy or a Dodge, it’s boring if you ask me.
 
bluefury361 said:
[QUOTE="78Brougham,

I can't imagine 42 cars running "Nuts to Butts" on those short tracks.
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The bump & run method works better on the short tracks.
The "nuts to butts", as you put it, really only works at Dega. The aerodynamics involved during the race fascinates me. You can't see it but its there, and is a huge factor to being successful.
Example: On a interstate hwy you come up on a big truck that pushing a lot of air. You move to the left and tuck in close to the left rear of it. There's a vacuum area, (negative air), at that point. As you progress ahead you notice the drag of the air coming off the truck. Then move over as far left as you can to break through the "wall of air". You can "feel" the resistance diminishing as you go past.[/QUOTE]
Next time we tip ah long neck Pal I'll tell you a little story 'bout the 1st 'Daga race that all the Hot Shoes of the day boycotted 'cept Bobby Isaac because of the uneven asphalt surface waz doing to the driverz innardz at flat out speed. Frank gave every one from owner of #71 on down to and including pit crew an 18K Rolex President inscribed on the back "QUITERS NEVER WIN, WINNERS NEVER QUIT". Not positive but I think Cotton Owens waz Bobbys Pit Boss at the time
 
[QUOTE="BIGBARNEYCARS,
Next time we tip ah long neck Pal I'll tell you a little story 'bout the 1st 'Daga race that all the Hot Shoes of the day boycotted 'cept Bobby Isaac because of the uneven asphalt surface waz doing to the driverz innardz at flat out speed. [/QUOTE]


That wasen't the issue Jer. The real issue was tires, or lack of adequate tires for the high speeds. That's what the Professional drivers assc. was established for, (with Richard Petty as president and spokesman), and why most of the regular drives loaded up and went home. Goodyear knew the problem and pulled out before the event.
The full field was established with a last hour effort with local talent, mostly from BIR, (Birmingham international raceway). Who were paid to show up and start the race.
Richard Brickhouse won in a Daytona.
Top ten......
  1. Richard Brickhouse (No. 99)
  2. Jim Vandiver (No. 3)
  3. Ramo Stott (No. 14)
  4. Bobby Isaac (No. 71), 1 lap behind
  5. Dick Brooks (No. 32), 8 laps behind
  6. Earl Brooks (No. 26), 24 laps behind
  7. Jimmy Vaughn (No. 7), 29 laps behind
  8. Billy Hagan (No. 52), 33 laps behind
  9. Tiny Lund (No. 53), 36 laps behind
  10. Coo Coo Marlin (No. 07), 38 laps behind
 
cantflip said:
do want to get to the Gatornationals someday
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Go if you must but in my opinion once you have heard one fuel car run the rest are the same.
Actually I take that back. Go to Gatornationals and watch John Force make a pass or two. That's as good as fuel cars will ever get.
The race you are supposed to go to with Doug on 28th sounds great, simple structure, no Honda civics, no diesel pick ups.
 
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