The Hurst Registry

[Trace 300 Hurst]

Thanks for putting this together. I have a Hurst story.

We LOVE Hurst stories here, and pics would be outstanding!

And yes, Console, 8-Track, ATC, Tilt, and Cornerings makes for a loaded car. Makes me think it was an ordered car--maybe by a dealership's owner--instead of the typical Sales Bank cars like mine was. Very cool.

 

[ayilar]

(...) Im looking for pics from the summer of 96 with that car.

Cool story!

We LOVE Hurst stories here, and pics would be outstanding! (...)

And we love VINs. Do you still have, in your files, info on the fender tag and/or the VIN? That might be in old car insurance documents, BTW -- no need to post the latter here, but the VIN (or any tag) would be great.

 

[sportsuburbangt]

Have to dig out a couple of pics and the vin. I was not keeping track of the numbers in the 90s. BTW my DD was a 71 town and country during this time. I had a 70 TNT 440 AVS on the wagon while I was working on the Hurst, I took the AVS off the wagon and put it on the 300 to get it running. I put an Edelbrock carb on the wagon and it really ran well, my first time using an Edelbrock carb. I had a couple of great pics of the Hurst and the T&C in my driveway in East Lansing I have to find them.

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

Have to dig out a couple of pics and the vin. I was not keeping track of the numbers in the 90s. I had a couple of great pics of the Hurst and the T&C in my driveway in East Lansing I have to find them.

I had to chuckle about "I was not keeping track of the numbers in the 90s". I removed and tossed that annoying fender tag thingy from a few of my Mopars in the 70s and 80s because shop rags and fingers would get caught on those razor-sharp corners. Besides, nobody cared about the mumbo-jumbo of those letters and numbers stamped on them.

But please dig out those pics you might have!!

 

[67valiant 100]

@69CoronetRT would you have any info on the 0C192xxx car in the first post?

 

[69CoronetRT]

@69CoronetRT would you have any info on the 0C192xxx car in the first post?

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I can get this close:

192741

As they have two different SPDs there's no way to know if it came from a Chrysler or Imperial.

FWIW...The 213 engine assembly date is AFTER the 212 SPD of 193000.

Another data point reinforcing the SPD is not the 'built' date, not the 'born on' date, not the 'birthday'.

 

[ayilar]

I can get this close:

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As they have two different SPDs there's no way to know if it came from a Chrysler or Imperial.

Imperials only had T-codes in 1970, no?

 

[69CoronetRT]

Imperials only had T-codes in 1970, no?

Yes.

 

[ayilar]

Yes.

I am confused as to why you mentioned Imperials.

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

I am confused as to why you mentioned Imperials.

Yep, and I'm confused about the SPD thing.

I propose that @69CoronetRT starts holding "Chrysler Production Processes Teaching Podcasts".

 

[67valiant 100]

I can get this close:

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As they have two different SPDs there's no way to know if it came from a Chrysler or Imperial.

FWIW...The 213 engine assembly date is AFTER the 212 SPD of 193000.

Another data point reinforcing the SPD is not the 'built' date, not the 'born on' date, not the 'birthday'.

CH41U0C192686 would be a rare TNT New Yorker sedan. 1 of 125 in the lastest white book.

We have 0C192933 as a Hurst which is before the Newport.

The block I posted being stamped "WT" Water Tested(?) but missing the "HP" before the "2" is interesting. It looks like the block has always been Orange with no trace of blue anywhere.

 

[69CoronetRT]

We have 0C192933 as a Hurst which is before the Newport.

The block I posted being stamped "WT" Water Tested(?) but missing the "HP" before the "2" is interesting. It looks like the block has always been Orange with no trace of blue anywhere.

I do too but since we don't have a contemporary SPD for the Hurst, we can't use it as a way to bracket the other cars in this application.

We can use the other two cars to help establish a relative SPD for the Hurst ("VIN 192933 falls in line with non Hursts that have an SPD of early February") but we can't use the Hurst as a way to bracket the other two cars because you never really know relative SPDs on one or two date package cars (Hurst, Superbirds, 69 A12 cars). The assigned VIN may be within a certain known SPD range but due to any special assembly procedures, the actual production may or may not be similar to other non package cars.


The door sticker is still the best way to document actual production on 1970 and later cars.

 

[69CoronetRT]

I am confused as to why you mentioned Imperials.

Because there are two separate SPDs. Imperial Y VIN cars would fall after C VIN cars for a given SPD. That's just how VINs are assigned for a given SPD.

That means car 192686 could be the last Chrysler (C VIN) car assigned for that SPD and 192687 could be the first Y VIN assigned for that SPD. There's only 55 cars between 192686 and 192741. Those cars could have been all Chryslers, they could be Imperials. We don't know from the info in front of us.

The possibility exists that NO Imperials were scheduled for that SPD meaning that VIN was assigned for the next SPD which reset the assignments and it could have been out of a Chrysler.

As there is a gap in the SPDs and the assembly is not indicated as as HP assembly, that means a Y VIN Imperial could be between the two Chrysler VINs.

If the assembly was stamped HP, we'd know for sure it came out of a Chrysler. As it is not, we have the possibility it came out of a Chrysler OR an Imperial.

This is a great example of why it is so important to collect and compile data. The more data points you have, the more accurate the results. Even having one more VIN and one more SPD would make a difference in this case.

 

[69CoronetRT]

Yep, and I'm confused about the SPD thing.

I propose that @69CoronetRT starts holding "Chrysler Production Processes Teaching Podcasts".

I'm flattered you would think that but I'm still learning myself. I'm actually compiling '70 C body data this week.

(For a B body guy, you folks sure make me spend a lot of time on C bodies ;) )

 

[ayilar]

If the assembly was stamped HP, we'd know for sure it came out of a Chrysler. As it is not, we have the possibility it came out of a Chrysler OR an Imperial.

Thank you. I had assumed HP because (a) orange and (b) @67valiant 100 posted it in this thread, hence my puzzle at your mentioning Imperials. I stand corrected. Time for @fury fan to tsk tsk me

 

[fury fan]

That comes when I see fit.

 

[ayilar]

For records, here is CM23U0C232866 -- as seen for sale on BaT back in 2015:

Driving Project: $7500 1970 Chrysler 300 Hurst

Pics include a fender tag for @Trace 300 Hurst @Fury Pursuit @69CoronetRT @cuda hunter @david hill

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

For records, here is CM23U0C232866 -- as seen for sale on BaT back in 2015:

Driving Project: $7500 1970 Chrysler 300 Hurst

Pics include a fender tag for @Trace 300 Hurst @Fury Pursuit @69CoronetRT @cuda hunter @david hill

This is the third newest (most recent, latest...whatever) Hurst I have in the Registry.

232866

Jun-70

J99945

AM/FM 8 , Cornering Lamps. Rough but complete.

 

[cuda hunter]

Curiosity question here, What is the most different option to be installed and on a trim tag for the Hurst.
They all are so similar, I'm wondering what the most unique Hurst is (known).

 

[Trace 300 Hurst]

Curiosity question here, What is the most different option to be installed and on a trim tag for the Hurst.
They all are so similar, I'm wondering what the most unique Hurst is (known).

I don't think we have nearly enough data to make a truly factual answer, but my **guesstimate opinion** is that G31 Right Hand Mirror, followed by R48 Power Antenna, then P41 Power Door Locks and the L35 Cornering Lamps is my order of scarcity. After those I'm going with H31 Rear Window Defog and maybe Sure Grip (D91).

The C16 Console looks to be a little over 10 percent of the cars that we know about, and these Console cars tend to have Tilt, Cruise and Clock and an upgraded radio, typically one of the AM/FM or AM/FM/8Trk options. But imagine how unusual it was to want FM and 8Trk in 1969/70. AM was normal and had always been "good enough", FM stations were few and "weird", and who really had futuristic 8 track tapes back then? I was 15 (car nut!!) and nobody I knew back then had factory stuff. [Maybe a Craig on the trans tunnel by 1973.] I've seen period ads where "prerecorded 8 track music tapes are available" to promote those radio upgrades in all the manufacturer's cars. I think we have one R08 Radio Delete car, but that fact might be lost to time.

Anyway, this is all very much a bunch of speculation and guesswork on my part, so DON'T quote me. And I really want to hear your opinions on options, whether they were Fender Tag or Build Sheet specific.

Finally, look at this loaded car, and it's NOT a Console:
Air-Temp, Cruise, Tilt, AM/FM/8, Right Hand Mirror (G31), Clock, Cornering, Power Locks, Rear Defog, Floor Mats (C92), Trunk Dress Up (C96), Headlamp Time Delay (L47), Low Fuel Lamp (L75), Seat Belt Reminder Light (L73), Door Edge Mouldings (M05), License Plate Frames (M41), F&R Bumper Guards (M85), Power Antenna (R48).......AND Sure Grip (D91). I think we have heard that this was a ordered by the dealership's owner, which only makes sense. But don't quote me....

228771

Jun-70

J99822

FS Fb 7/24 $49.5K 29K A24 C92 C97 D91 G31 H31 H53 J21 J25 J55 L35 L42 L47 L73 L75 P41 M05 M41 N85 N88 R37 R48