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jmustian

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Cleaned my carter AVS and put in new kit. Followed book and set each item as I went. Vacuum set the idles and runs great. 69 440.
Car runs fantastic but when I cut it off, car smells like gas leak. If I restart soon, car appears flooded. If I restart much later, have to pump pedal and crank 2 or 3 times as carb apparently leaks down.
What should I look for to correct? Any carb experts here haha.
 
Cleaned my carter AVS and put in new kit. Followed book and set each item as I went. Vacuum set the idles and runs great. 69 440.
Car runs fantastic but when I cut it off, car smells like gas leak. If I restart soon, car appears flooded. If I restart much later, have to pump pedal and crank 2 or 3 times as carb apparently leaks down.
What should I look for to correct? Any carb experts here haha.
Did you replace the floats as part of the rebuild?

Dave
 
Just pulled carb top again. No leaks spotted. Floats and needles are perfect. Fuel level in bowls are both the same. Intake very wet. I'm thinking must be a crack or leak underneath. Gonna pulled body off next.
 
Nothing found. Base gasket feels like constantly wet. Not hard and dry. Felpro #1900. About 1/16" thick. Same thing I took off originally. Has engraved patterns where carb was tightened down but still seems wet.
 
I don't recall any, but look for drilled passages which are sealed with a ataked-in ball bearing with sealing solder around the bearing. Ethanol'd fuel will degrade ("eat") the solder, causing a fuel leak. Not good. Can be fixed with JBWeld, as I understand it.

For general principles, you might try lowering the floats just a tad below spec. That might decrease any percolation issues after the engine is turned off and the carb heat soaks.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
 
I don't recall any, but look for drilled passages which are sealed with a ataked-in ball bearing with sealing solder around the bearing. Ethanol'd fuel will degrade ("eat") the solder, causing a fuel leak. Not good. Can be fixed with JBWeld, as I understand it.

For general principles, you might try lowering the floats just a tad below spec. That might decrease any percolation issues after the engine is turned off and the carb heat soaks.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
All the staked caps are tight and dry. I'm gonna try a slightly thicker gasket and drop the floats some.
 
All the staked caps are tight and dry. I'm gonna try a slightly thicker gasket and drop the floats some.

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The floats should be adjusted to factory specs. Very important. Also you needle valve may be backwards. I did this once by accident and had the same problem.
This means your engine is running rich and when it shuts off it could be siphoning the fuel line through the carb into the engine.
 
I don't recall any, but look for drilled passages which are sealed with a ataked-in ball bearing with sealing solder around the bearing. Ethanol'd fuel will degrade ("eat") the solder, causing a fuel leak. Not good. Can be fixed with JBWeld, as I understand it.

For general principles, you might try lowering the floats just a tad below spec. That might decrease any percolation issues after the engine is turned off and the carb heat soaks.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
Think I got a handle on this. I'll post results later. Last spring I replaced the intake gasket with an open crossover tube. Didn't really pay attention to that. Now my nice intake paint is brown and cooked off from the heat. I'm gonna try the 5/16 gasket until this winter when I change the intake gasket back to blocked crossover. I think this is boiling my gas over.
 
Thanks for the updates. Glad there are no plug leaks.

I ALWAYS use the thick, OEM base gasket insulator on all of my cars, period. Same base gasket that was OEM on myu '70 Monaco 383 "N".

NO issues with them ever having any problems. With a thin coat of black hi-heat silicone sealer, they always remove "clean" so NO gasket scraping, ever.

Take care,
CBODY67
 
Well not sure if it's the thick gasket or not. Fsm calls for thin. I can't get full vacuum now to adjust carb. Stumbles and sometimes backfires if I kick it by hand. Used vacuum gauge to set idle needles and 16" was best I could get. Should have at least 18-22"
Got idle at 650 and timing at 10. Don't seem to have raw gas in intake anymore but exhaust is still a little rich. Got to take it to Williamsburg sat-sun for a show so I'll go get a gasket after PT and try again tomorrow. Has a lot of slop in throttle shaft again so I'm thinking about a new carb. Points and everything look good. Haven't checked dwell yet. Appreciate everyone's input.
I'll let you know what happens tomorrow. Prob be easier if the body worked better haha. Agent orange sucks.
 
As to the base gaskets . . . when I upgraded the '66 Newport to a Holley 2210 2bbl, the carb came from Holley with a thin base gasket, which I used and was already under the prior OEM Stromberg WW3 2bbl. Every few weeks, I'd have to re-torque the nuts holding the carb to the manifold. The idle would get just a hair rougher, which re-tightening the nuts fixed. Got to where I carried a 12pt wrench of the correct size under the front seat!

I got tired or that and went to the local Chry dealer parts dept and got a correct 1970+ Holley 2210 base gasket/insulator for it. After one re-torque (after the first few hot-cold cycles), that was the last time i needed the wrench.

My '70 D43N was bought used at 83K miles. Unmolested. It had the thick gasket under the AVS. Had some hot re-start issues, as normal. I looked at various different carb base gaskets for it. I settled on the Mr. Gasket aluminum/fiber gasket stack. As easy and careful as I was to do the torque in sequence and such, that ONE "just a bit too much compression one corner" cracked the base plate by the vac advance nipple. Got a new AVS 4734S as a result AND used the thick insulator gasket with the metal sleeve in it (to prevent such uneven compression of the gasket).

I also gave up on using a vac gauge to set mixture back in the late 1960s. I like the precision of a dwell tach much better. Using that device, I can tell when the mixture screws are leaned enough to get a 20rpm drop and then put each one back where it was.

I also stopped worrying about not getting 18+" of Hg manifold vac at idle, too. At the 1200' elevation I'm at, that would mean 17" Hg, but 16 was more doable so that was that. I checked EVERYTHING to make sure it was to factory specs, too! On a couple of our vehicles at the time.

As to the thickness of the carb base gasket's thickness (thicker in place of thinner), there are TWO things at play here. One is that with time and use, the choke thermostats will tighten a bit, making the choke come off later than sooner, so I usually re-set mine to "1 Notch leaner" than factory specs. Easy to do! As to the length of the choke rod to the choke plate, there is a slight bend in the linkage that can be flattened slightly (with a pair of pliers) to lengthen the rod if desired. Again, easy to do. Just like I normally also decrease the "V" in the choke pull-off link, to pull the choke a bit farther open initially.

These two tweaks effectively lean the choke operation a bit. I also play with the fast idle screw such that the last notch does not increase hot base idle any at all. I like the choke to be open enough for low idle speed after two blocks of driving after backing out of the driveway. NGK V-Power plugs help in this quest, with their gap design that exposes more of the spark kernel to the air/fuel mix.

When I upgraded the '67 Newport 383/325 (factory) to a 9801 TQuad and Torker 383, I again used the supplied thin base gasket. Car drove good, but did not have much better WOT performance than the OEM AFB supplied. But with the Torker, I was looking more for better mpg wiht more-even fuel distribution (which was what the Tarantula and Torker intakes were known for. That was a let-down, too. Until . . . I put the OEM Chrysler thick base gasket under the TQuad. WOT felt "happier", so I left it at thatl I had read about there being a relationship between the bottom of the carb and the bottom of the intake plenum. Too close, too tight of a corner for the mixture to make. What I felt seem to validate that. BTAIM

With the Torker and TQ, the car ran well, but not outstandingly better than the OEM AFB or a '70 383 OEM used Holley 4160. When I start driving it again, it'll have a AVS2 (purchased a few years ago) on it.

Going from the OEM AFB to the TQuad, I DID need to get the throttle rod extender from Edelbrock. I adjusted the rod per spec, then added two more turns preload (as I had done to the '66 Newport 383 2bbl) to raise the part-throttle shift points a few mph. The primaries on the spreadbore were that much farther forward on the manifold than the AFB/AVS was. I also got a spark throttle rod from a 383 2bbl in the local salvage yard.

These are MY experiences since 1970. No more, no less. If anybody might choose to follow/emulate them, YOUR judgement call. YMMV

Have fun!
CBODY67
 
Well if that gasket is ok then it must be the carb. Did your cruise and throttle cable and kick down hook up ok to the avs2?
 
Well if that gasket is ok then it must be the carb. Did your cruise and throttle cable and kick down hook up ok to the avs2?
Still in the "future project" orientation. Car does not have cruise. No reason that I know of that the existing linkage would not work just fine. Might be wrong, though, but not expecting that.

CBODY67
 
I always follow @CBODY67 with it this info to help people from creating a big problem with the choke.

You cannot use a thick gasket on a 1969 and older carb with factory thermostatic choke it will foul up the choke and it doesn't have enough adjustment.

Mopars used a thick gasket starting in 1970 on BB 4 bbl engines.

@jmustian Do you use ethanol free gas? If not then get that alcohol stuff out of there and try it. It will not boil in the carb like alcohol fuel.

Here is a list of 502 stations in VA
Pure-gas.org - ethanol-free gasoline in the U.S. and Canada

What do you have for a fuel pump? Some newer pump ps have too much fuel pressure, beyond what the needle and seat will hold.
 
I always follow @CBODY67 with it this info to help people from creating a big problem with the choke.

You cannot use a thick gasket on a 1969 and older carb with factory thermostatic choke it will foul up the choke and it doesn't have enough adjustment.

Mopars used a thick gasket starting in 1970 on BB 4 bbl engines.

@jmustian Do you use ethanol free gas? If not then get that alcohol stuff out of there and try it. It will not boil in the carb like alcohol fuel.

Here is a list of 502 stations in VA
Pure-gas.org - ethanol-free gasoline in the U.S. and Canada

What do you have for a fuel pump? Some newer pump ps have too much fuel pressure, beyond what the needle and seat will hold.
I use non ethanol 93 octane and lead additive. I think problem was the open crossover pan is causing the issues. When I had blocked pan I didn't have any problem. Thanks for the list. Pump is factory mechanical type with factory style filter at 5 psi. I do have a lot of play in throttle shaft. May fix that this winter also.
 
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