Engine died at stop sign.. restarted.. ran for minute.. died again

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  1. blue88

    blue88 Active Member

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    Ok guys... in 63 new yorker I was on my way to work this morning.. pulled up to stop sign and engine died.. not a sputter die.. but just cut off. Radio and defroster still running. I put in park and refired it... started..for 20 seconds.. died again.. same deal. Restarted again.. seemed ok.. drove about 2 blocks and died again. Refired and turned around and headed home. It stayed running all the way. Stock Points ignition. Any ideas?
     
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  2. 1978 NYB

    1978 NYB Warfighter FCBO Gold Member

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    Do you have another coil to swap out?
     
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    Yes. I have another coil in my garage and can swap it in. As a side question.. what are the best stock coils on the market today? So much chinese junk out there.
     
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    Water in the gas?
     
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    I doubt water in gas...(but anything is possible). I drive it daily (tank stays 1/2 full all the time ... gas gauge dont work so i monitor by miles driven) and I think water would be frozen in this weather.
     
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    1978 NYB Warfighter FCBO Gold Member

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    I only use MSD ignition parts.
     
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    Looks like all ignition coils now made overseas... and this is from 2010....

    Racers, we would like to set the record straight on a few of these ‘built off-shore’ claims. This is one of those subjects that could go on and on, but we’ll try to keep it short and sweet and to the point.

    MSD was developed and born in El Paso 40 years ago. We have grown to encompass over 150,000 square feet of space to design, test, manufacture, and support our components. We have engine dynos, chassis dynos, CNC equipment, an EDM machine to cut molds, wave solder machines, surface mount pick and place equipment, and more tools and capabilities to aid us in MANUFACTURING the best ignition components available. We are comprised of just under 300 employees – with the average seniority of 12 years! No other manufacturer can even come close to that kind of commitment from its employees.

    Every 7-Series, 8-Series, Pro Mag and most 6-Series Ignitions are designed, built, tested, and supported in the USA. We say ‘most’ on our 6-Series because there are two models that do incorporate a half populated PCB from overseas. In El Paso, we populate the rest of the raw and power components, assemble it, test, burn it in and package it.

    Yes, some coils, such as the Blaster 2, are made overseas. One reason is there are no oil filled canister style coil manufacturers in the United States. All MSD coils are made to our specifications and thoroughly tested. Also, the coils for the Pro Mag 12s and 44s, the HVC line of coils and our multiple spark LS coils are all made in the United States.

    One area that we offer caution, especially when purchasing used or through the internet, is with Distributors. MSD designed the Pro-Billet distributor and now you are seeing complete copies of our distributors coming from overseas. Even name-brand competitors are selling distributors that are copied from the original MSD design – some even with our part numbers! The distributor issue has become a predicament for MSD as we still get the tech calls, the upset customers, and even some returns of these off-shore duplicate distributors.

    We could go on with other products in our line such as the 8.5mm Super Conductor, APS Starters, Crank Triggers (all made in the USA), but want to keep it short. It is important to mention our budget based line, Street Fire. This is line offers several distributors, easily identified with cast housings, as a budget based brand. The distributors are produced in China, however it took over a year to get a product that we were confident in. We put them under a different brand to clearly set the two designs apart. For the record, there is also a Street Fire CD ignition and spark plug wires as well – both made in the USA.

    Face it, anything having to do with electronics is a tough business to be in with hundreds of raw material components, and it’s nearly impossible to build a product out of 100% USA components. You can be assured that if you do have an MSD coil that is made in China or in the United States, we will stand by its performance and provide you with the same support as any other MSD products.

    We’ll see you at the races -

    Russell Stephens
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    Just a guess, your location says Illinois so I assume it's cold. I started driving in Upstate NY in 74. Moisture in outside vented fuel systems during winter was a common thing. I usually had a couple bottles of dry gas on hand. (Do they still make that? lol)
     
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    Yeah.. crappy Illinois.. cold.. high taxes.. corruption... but we have the Blackhawks..(well they aren't very good anymore either)
     
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    I’m not saying this is your issue but recently I inadvertently put ethanol fuel in my Newport.
    I did drain the system and filled with non ethanol fuel.
    What I found out is the rubber fuel line areas that I had recently replaced were not the new type ethanol fuel resistant rubber hose.
    So as soon as the ethanol fuel touched it it deteriorated fast.
    May or may not be your issue...
     
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    Can't see the 6AL box on the right side fender.....

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    Yeah.. i am gonna replace the coil tonight first.. and see what happens.
     
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    I feel for you. I spent 60 years living in that rotten state, that is why I moved three miles over the border in Indiana. Night and day difference. What is the number of residents who have left now, 600,000?
     
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    600,000+ and counting by the minute....
     
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    Wouldn't hurt to dump a bottle of gas line antifreeze in the tank just to be sure you don't have some water in there. I've had similar issues when the weather is around or below freezing. Now I add a bottle every other tank full in the winter just for shitts n giggles.
     
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    I had similar symptoms a couple years ago. Turned out the fusible link was going south.
     
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    Happened to me... Battery terminals. Check and retighten.
     
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    When we first got the MTBE/Ethanol mix fuel in the earlier '90s, all fuel line made since then is compatible with those fuels. What the "new stuff" is is E85 approved-use hose. BTAIM.
     
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    I had an issue with my '68 Buick several years ago. It would run down the road fine and suddenly act like it was running out of fuel. If it was running at idle, the rpm would just start to fall. If I "caught" it soon enough by quickly pumping the accel pedal. Then it'd run as normal some more.

    Then it would not restart as easily, but took longer with more pumping for it to catch and run. If I let it get back to idle to put it in gear, it would die, so the last time it was acting flaky, I was headed to my shop to swap cars. Was glad I finally made it! Just seemed to be running out of gas. So I got a new fuel pump for it. As soon as I got the new pump on and started it, it sounded better than it ever had since I had owned it. End of problem.

    Before that, I'd already put new plugs, wires, and points in it, so I knew that much was good.

    I suspect the prior owner had had some issues, too, as the fuel line to the carb had a rubber hose where the line had been cut. Possibly for a fuel pressure check? Not sure. Just know that the new fuel pump fixed that car.

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