any 2nd supporters here that can help out?

[BigblueC]

According to them anything involving our right to own/use/build/feed a firearm is a "public health issue... like cigarettes" (<straight from their latest proposal), and the government needs to correct us. In Haskell's last stated point below, you can read how he feels that firearm ownership/usage by us commoners is a mental health issue.

In my opinion, these people are the product of spoiled kids who have grown up in a cushy life style with everything handed to them, who have been indoctrinated with a communist ideology through our intentionally dumbed-down education systems. I could rant on, but I think I'll stop it here.

From Will Haskell's official page under his "values";
As your state senator, I will:

• Support a ban on unregistered and unserialized ghost guns. No one should be able to order a weapon without a background check.
• Work to raise the minimum age for buying any type of firearm to 21 years.
• Defend laws that regulate ammunition and silencers because reducing gun violence requires more than just regulating the weapon itself.
• Encourage stricter enforcement of existing state laws that require all persons to undergo a background check when purchasing a firearm via a private sale.
• Propose legislation that would limit the number of weapons an individual can buy in one transaction. When multiple handguns are purchased during a single transaction, those weapons are 64% more likely to be used in a criminal manner.
• Work to strengthen gun storage laws so that law-abiding gun owners do not allow weapons to slip into the wrong hands.
  
  
• Promote an additional step in obtaining a firearm eligibility certificate, which would require a signed copy of the applicant’s most recent health and mental health evaluations.

 

[Knebel]

Well ... I personally would be okay with having a certificate from a mental healt eval. before one could buy a gun. i am aware that it is a constitutional right but I also see that something has to be done to keep firearms out of the hands of nutcases.


* nobody can order a weapon without a background check. partskits and unfinished receivers are not "weapons"
* already happened, but please raise the age to drive, join the military and so on to 21 then too..basically any "adult business" should be 21 then.
* isnt that already regulated?
* we here in oregon have to undergo backgroundchecks when buying private party...?
* not sure about that...
* I would also be on board with that, common sense to not have loaded weapons laying around when there are children for example. I have mine LOCKED UP...i'd much rather have a loaded pistol in my nightstand but thats a no-go with having three kids.


"In my opinion, these people are the product of spoiled kids who have grown up in a cushy life style with everything handed to them, who have been indoctrinated with a communist ideology through our intentionally dumbed-down education systems"



I have to tell you... that applies partially to me too, I grew up cushioned and have a very different way of thinking than probably any American. Im lucky to not have been in the US school system though.

Look, I paid thousands of dollars to be a legal immigrant in the country. I could have bought a gun the second I entered...without proofing anything other than a background check (which as an immigrant I probably had 20 done in the process lol) but it takes me 5 years qualify for health insurance? Man, I even tried to buy an insurance plan a couple years.. I gave up on that..nowhere to do so. Affordable? Idk.. if I'd call $6000 for a family of 5 a month affordable when having an $1800 income and $1900 goes to bills...plus they dont even cover anything.

But.... I dont hate guns, nor am I irresponsible with them!? I also don't want to be a robin hood and take the money from anyone and distribute it equally to the poor BUT Like I mentioned before, I come from somwhere, where it is practically impossible to have any weapons...for self defense or just for fun... and we had the oh so bad socialism lol.

I do have to say that I tend to wonder why a sophisticated country like the united states isnt able to take care of its own people in regards to healthcare and homelessness. I just simply dont understand it, since everywhere we get preached on how important it is to protect the children and this sh***, what does it matter if they are sick and homeless later anyway? Or getting shot by a cop on roidrage? I think if America wasn't so focused on individual events that can't be prevented anyways and this darn gun control, a lot more and more important issues could be resolved that would actually benefit the country and its people way more. I personally do not like the thought of my boss being able to decide tonight that he can tell me I dont need to come into work tomorrow because I'm fired... and to snoball into being homeless in 72h when I cant pay the rent, it's a little ****** up...to say the least, how can one expect to have sane and happy people when you constantly live under this stress?

 

[BigblueC]

Well ... I personally would be okay with having a certificate from a mental healt eval. before one could buy a gun. i am aware that it is a constitutional right but I also see that something has to be done to keep firearms out of the hands of nutcases.

I'm not okay with having a mental health evaluation for a firearm, and I can explain why. If you take that at face value, which a lot of people do, it sounds great. Of course I don't think a nutcase should have a weapon. I also don't think that a known nutcase should be allowed to roam freely. If they (the Gov) become able to enforce a mental health eval for ownership of a gun, we will all be declared incompetent for merely wanting or being interested in a gun. As stated above, the anti-gun crowd has been trying to push this idea of guns being a public and mental health issue similar to smoking and cancer.

I think that we agree on many things, like the fact that politicians should focus on other issues that could have real and positive impact, but our politicians answer to the highest paying lobbyist who aligns with their political side, and I doubt that there is a "feed the homeless" lobbying group.

Curiosity question for you, where did you come from and why did you leave? Feel free not to answer. It really is just curiosity since you said that it was a socialist place where you could not have weapons.

 

[Knebel]

I come from Germany and I left because I fell in love with a wonderful American woman, whom I am married to for 6 years today! My wife would love to move back there some day but I have absolutely 0 desire to do so (not because if weapons but other political stuff they do).

And well, of course the government shouldn't be doing that mental health eval! I absolutely agree with you on that theory, they would just declare everyone insane whos even interested. Idk... but lets say an independent psychologist, go in, say "i need certified im not suicidal or otherwise dangerous". You need like 3 refferals just for getting a Job so why not? Standarize a couple of questions just like they do on the background check or something. Of course that wont help when the gunowner is irresponsible and their messed up kid has free access to the guns and takes them to school. Nothing preventative can be done about that honestly other than having the government come in and check if they are locked away once a week. THAT I would definitely not be okay with. **** happens, accidents happens, irresponsible people exist... but that doesn't justify taking it for everyone. How many people drink and drive? text and drive? What I see on the road on a daily basis, cars should have been made illegal and declared a health issue long time ago... and you even need a license for them.

 

[BigblueC]

Some of my ancestors 4-5 generations back came from Germany. I've never been but it looks like a beautiful country, and it's on my want to see list.

I get what you're saying. And I'm not saying that you are wrong. But it's a very slippery slope that some are just waiting to push us off of. So we have to be very weary of any proposed/pushed restriction. A push here, a nudge there and they start chipping away our rights.

How many people drink and drive? text and drive? What I see on the road on a daily basis, cars should have been made illegal and declared a health issue long time ago... and you even need a license for them.

Exactly, but they will not apply similar restrictive proposals here and these politicians could not care less because they get no kick backs from those issues. I don't know factual numbers right off but I'd bet that vehicular deaths per year are greater than firearm related deaths, especially when suicides have been removed. Also, I'd be just as upset if they tried to take my cars away because of the actions of a few assholes.

 

[Knebel]

 

[Big_John]

Since New York State has been in the news with more inane gun laws, I have to show that the rest of the state doesn't side with the NYC and Albany politicians.

This is from the volunteer firehouse near me.

 

[BigblueC]

@Big_John I see a few pistols on that list and a few guns that can accept standard capacity magazines. I'm pretty sure Cuomo doesn't approve.

 

[Big_John]

@Big_John I see a few pistols on that list and a few guns that can accept standard capacity magazines. I'm pretty sure Cuomo doesn't approve.

That part is really screwy. You can't buy a magazine with more than 10 round capacity. Then you can only legally load that 10 round mag with 7 rounds unless you are at the range.

The first version tried to limit to 7 round mags, but that got struck down. Of course, we all know that criminals will only load their mags to 7 rounds because of these laws.

Just to complicate things even more, the State Troopers were under a directive to not arrest anyone having 8-10 rounds in any magazine. That doesn't mean that the local cops aren't going to.

 

[stubs300]

Just to complicate things even more, the State Troopers were under a directive to not arrest anyone having 8-10 rounds in any magazine. That doesn't mean that the local cops aren't going to.

Let's not forget John that some of these Cops don't agree with these asinine laws and will turn a blind eye and let you off with a warning or less. While the other [bad] cops will and would love to haul your *** downtown for it!

 

[Big_John]

Let's not forget John that some of these Cops don't agree with these asinine laws and will turn a blind eye and let you off with a warning or less. While the other [bad] cops will and would love to haul your *** downtown for it!

That's always been that way, but the chances of a cop looking the other way on a minor infraction is getting less and less. It's a different world out there.

I do think that most cops are pro 2A though.

 

[stubs300]

I do think that most cops are pro 2A though.

I know my next door neighbor is!

 

[Knebel]

of course cops aren't pro 2A, they are the servants to protect the government and would become the first soft targets out there if SHTF. They want to shoot you, not let you shoot them.

anyway, I just got word last night that our bill here is dead. However, there is mire bigger "assault weapon bans" in the works.

The magazine thing is weird to me, i tested this a little and it takes me no longer to feed a stripperclip into an sks than to change a 10rd magazine for example. And I am by no means a fast reloader or anything...

 

[stubs300]

of course cops aren't pro 2A, they are the servants to protect the government and would become the first soft targets out there if SHTF. They want to shoot you, not let you shoot them.

How clueless you are! How many Cops do you know? I know of over 2 dozen Cops in various forms of law enforcement, City cops, state police, sheriffs Dept. Correction officers, etc; and they are Veterans to boot. They all support the 2A! I suggest you open your mind, move out of that Liberal state you live in and not be so narrow minded about those who have a hell of a tough time doing their jobs, and bad mouthing them!
Your as confused as I was about gun laws until I moved out of a F-ed up state like the one your in now. Don't try to learn and live by them, MOVE!

 

[BigblueC]

of course cops aren't pro 2A, they are the servants to protect the government and would become the first soft targets out there if SHTF. They want to shoot you, not let you shoot them.

I'm not sure why you would think that. There are plenty of Sheriff Depts across the US that are refusing to enforce some of these restrictive laws. Of the hand full of cops that I personally know, they are very 2A supportive and active. And of course they don't want to be shot any more than you do.

anyway, I just got word last night that our bill here is dead. However, there is mire bigger "assault weapon bans" in the works.

I hope that bill is dead. As for the "assault weapons ban", not to down play it because it is still a real problem, but it's the same old thing that Feinstein pushes every session. It's a copy of the assault weapons ban from the '90s with a few things added. It gets little traction because the numbers show that it accomplishes nothing.

The magazine thing is weird to me, i tested this a little and it takes me no longer to feed a stripperclip into an sks than to change a 10rd magazine for example. And I am by no means a fast reloader or anything..

These gun laws are written by people who have no idea about guns, for people who have no idea about guns. They're designed to slowly strip citizens of our right to own/possess/use a firearm, and they're described to the useful idiots in a way that coddles their mind so that they feel good and safe for the moment, in hopes that they will support it. That's why there called things like "common sense" and "school safety act".
Prime example:

 

[stubs300]

Anybody that believes or voted for this Treasonous, Traderous, Illegal Wetback is more of a problem then the shithead in this video!!

 

[BigblueC]

Well it looks like they there trying to pull that same **** here. The "Gun Violence Prevention Act" has been introduced to the NC House. It is still in the House and I've contacted my Rep (Potts), who is a primary sponsor of another bill, HB 61, which seems to be a positive for concealed carry and handgun carry in general. < Yay for that

HB 86;
"North Carolina legislators have submitted a HUGE omnibus gun control package under HB86. It looks to do several things:
1. Universal Background Checks that will criminalize private sales.
2. Increase Storage Laws
3. Prohibit 18-21 year olds from purchasing long arms
4. High Capacity Magazine Ban < also known as standard capacity
5. Allow local governments to restrict guns on their own
6. Demand firearms liability insurance"