383dawn
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Does anyone know best way to remove turn signal switch from 69 Newport w/ tilt & telescopic steering column? Having trouble removing collar to access switch.
Steering collar removal
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Is this not covered in the Chrysler Factory Service Manual? Free download at www.mymopar.com . T & T steering columns were only on Chryslers and Imperials, as Plymouth and Dodges had the tilt column only, as a general rule, by the time the Fuselage Cars happened. Yet T&T columns were in all of the 1966-68 C-bodies. 1969 is unique as the ignition switch was still on the instrument panel, on the left side of the column, ala Fords of that era. You might find a good exploded view in the 1969 Chrysler Parts Manual, free download from the above website, too. Might even be a Chrysler MasterTech video you can watch at the same website?
Once you get the steering wheel off and the ignition lock plate under it, the switch should be easy to get to. Unplug the harness where it plugs into the vehicle harness toward the bottom of the column. Tie a small wire to the end, turn the connector so it is parallel to the column itself and gently pull it to the top, leaving the wire "in the column". No need to get any deeper into the column, if it works like I suspect it can.
Perhaps this one is different? Perhaps Chrysler had Saginaw Gear build it differently inside for some reason?
If the above link does not work, the web address still will if inputted manually.
Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
Once you get the steering wheel off and the ignition lock plate under it, the switch should be easy to get to. Unplug the harness where it plugs into the vehicle harness toward the bottom of the column. Tie a small wire to the end, turn the connector so it is parallel to the column itself and gently pull it to the top, leaving the wire "in the column". No need to get any deeper into the column, if it works like I suspect it can.
Perhaps this one is different? Perhaps Chrysler had Saginaw Gear build it differently inside for some reason?
If the above link does not work, the web address still will if inputted manually.
Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
383dawn
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We have the service manual. What we can't figure out is how to remove the tilt actuator collar.
I'm not sure if this is the same, being a '64 column that I think is tilt only, but he uses a puller.
Again, 1964 vintage tilt only. And yes, this is a GM manual because it's a GM Saginaw column that Chrysler used.
http://www.jholst.net/tilt-wheel/1964-tilt-wheel.pdf
http://www.jholst.net/tilt-wheel/1964-tilt-wheel.pdf
I knew I had something else bookmarked... LOL. Again, GM, but tilt and telescope. There might be some GM only features, like the neutral safety switch, but it should help.
1966 Big Car Tilt & Tele steering column primer - ClassicOldsmobile.com
1966 Big Car Tilt & Tele steering column primer - ClassicOldsmobile.com
383dawn
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Ty. Will try to create a tool like that. No not a Saginaw. Unfortunate set back as the cam that locks & releases turn signal broke while replacing wiring harness hence this current debacle
I hate to tell you this, but yes it is. The FSM doesn't call it out as Saginaw.
I don't know what year they stopped (if they stopped) using the GM Saginaw tilt-tele column, but as far as I know, they used it in 1969 and later.
It's like the AM/FM "Search Tune" radio... Doesn't say Delco in the FSM, but it's a Delco radio.
383dawn
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Fair enough & always glad to learn, but not figuring out how to fix it
383dawn
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Here is the part & the one we can't remove
383dawn
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These are the manual pages which make it confusing as to if it's Chrysler or Saginaw but not that relevant as long as you recognize it's the page that doesn't mention Saginaw
383dawn
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Maybe we can make the tool since we aren't going to find one
383dawn
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I see my pics & answers r completely out of sync
The Saginaw steering column mentioned in the FSM is the one they used with the automatic trans and had no tilt/tele. They called it out because there was also a Chrysler built column. The FSM does this with their steering pumps too. The .94 steering pump is a Saginaw built pump, although they don't call it out as such.
The tool shown is going to be almost impossible to find. If the column looks anything like the '64 in the video, I would think it's going to be easier to make one like Bob used in the video I posted above. I don't have a '69 FSM, so I can't look... and the '70 I do have is probably different because of the ignition in the column that started in 1970.
383dawn
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Yes we r going to try to make the tool. The video u sent was helpful. We got the materials today will start fabrication early next wk. Ty! Always a work in process.
Mark the collar and the column at the bottom (underneath where you can't see it unless you're upside down in the seat), so you can put it back exactly the same way - it's not easy to line it up when reassembling, and it's essential to do so or the tilt and turn signal levers don't go back in properly - so make your marks first.
The collar is a VERY tight press fit - and needs a special tool or a 4 - jaw puller to get it off. However, the tool is rare and hard to find. It's a PITA to do it without, but it can be done.
TIPS LIST:
You must REVERSE the puller's jaws so that the pulling edges of the jaws point OUTWARDS.
The sheet metal of the collar is very easy to bend. The puller spreads the load around that rolled over edge. Go slowly.
If you have a much more easy to find cheap 3 jaw puller that you don't mind trashing, weld some heavy rods that fit the circle of the rolled edge of the collar to the puller jaws.
You'll need to figure out a way to keep the jaws from collapsing - a few good circles of quality mechanic's wire to keep the jaws in place once you've just gotten them to load into position.
Spray some quality penetrant down the insides of the collar a few days before.
Some gentle - and I mean GENTLE - tapping with a rubber mallet around the bottom of the collar will help.
GO SLOWLY.
The collar is a VERY tight press fit - and needs a special tool or a 4 - jaw puller to get it off. However, the tool is rare and hard to find. It's a PITA to do it without, but it can be done.
TIPS LIST:
You must REVERSE the puller's jaws so that the pulling edges of the jaws point OUTWARDS.
The sheet metal of the collar is very easy to bend. The puller spreads the load around that rolled over edge. Go slowly.
If you have a much more easy to find cheap 3 jaw puller that you don't mind trashing, weld some heavy rods that fit the circle of the rolled edge of the collar to the puller jaws.
You'll need to figure out a way to keep the jaws from collapsing - a few good circles of quality mechanic's wire to keep the jaws in place once you've just gotten them to load into position.
Spray some quality penetrant down the insides of the collar a few days before.
Some gentle - and I mean GENTLE - tapping with a rubber mallet around the bottom of the collar will help.
GO SLOWLY.
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